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Quick Update: Gulf Coast COVID numbers

You do realize that the Moderna, Pfizer and J&J Covid vaccines were the first vaccines in the history of the US that were created without an independent 3rd party overseeing the human trials right? Go look that up for yourself brother. I'm not going to do that work for you. I do my research for my family. I don't owe you a wooden nickel!
Well, you went off the rails. Didn’t answer a single question I had and refuse to back up claims after berating people who actually do post data. I know more about these vaccines than you could hope to, but thanks for playing. You did zero research for your family…..otherwise you’d be happy to share it.
 
No, we are not talking about "2 data points." We are talking about first hand information from numerous medical facilities. In addition to Mr. H and stevesawbone, we also have folks like @shorts who shares information from his wife who is a doctor. All of them are painting the exact same picture regarding the dire situation hospitals are facing, just as was the case in prior surges in cases/hospitalizations. They are also all making it crystal clear that it is a necessity that our country reach a high percentage of vaccinations as quickly as possible. The credible information they have shared doesn't fit into your preferred narrative so you fire up google and look for "independent" sources that will tell you things you want to hear.
Oh you are up to 3 now. Awesome! Unfortunately, I can't Google shiite from Shinola now. Google has become a political search engine that won't even take me to the very subject I request to search. I am happy that you trust them. I truly hope that works out for you. I think independently and have relied on additional options for my research. And though I truly respect Mr. H., Stevesawbone and Shorts, the studies I am making my decisions on is a multiple far greater than what they are reporting. I have no narrative. I am trying to make the best informed decision for my family. There is nothing I "want" to hear....other than Covid-19 has vanished.
 
Yes, it’s different. Cases are high in all areas but we have higher deaths and hospitalizations. That’s mainly due to be lower vaccinated along with other factors. They had more mitigation measures than us. UK was shutdown until 3 weeks ago for example.

Yep ... UK was further along in vaccination and shut down. The US was not ... and had been wide open / no masks. So, our curve is going to look different, especially with deaths. Hopefully, not as bad as winter, but if hospitals fail, game over.
 
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You do realize that the Moderna, Pfizer and J&J Covid vaccines were the first vaccines in the history of the US that were created without an independent 3rd party overseeing the human trials right? Go look that up for yourself brother. I'm not going to do that work for you. I do my research for my family. I don't owe you a wooden nickel!
I have done my own homework. The quality is there Mr. Dumass, it's the bias that is the problem. I am in a good spot. I don't have to worry about any long term effects from a vaccine, because I haven't had one. You can search the sources yourself. I am an oulde and I am not going to go through the trouble of posting links. I do have an open mind, unlike yourself and I do like to hear what Doctor's are experiencing here in the state's like Mr. Hickory. I do trust him.
And those are two data points here in the US, dumass8. I am unvaccinated, but I am NOT anti-vax. I am unvaccinated with natural antibodies that I was blessed with before the vaccine was available to me. But A-holes like you can only think binary.....Vax and anti-vax....Some of us have open minds and ask questions from those on the front lines here in the states and also get information from independent sources in other parts of the world because of idiots like you that only trust what you read here. I like to keep an open mind, take it all in and make an informed decision in the best interest of me and my wife and all 4 of my kids. So you can take your propaganda, what you choose to believe actually and shove it where the sun don't shine!
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It’s literally a protocol written for our system after Katrina. Most of us have never read it just know the gist of it. I might have to break it out and research in the next couple of days. If current trends hold, within 5-7 days. Just hoping for a peak in the next couple of days now.
Man, this is wild.
You guys hang in there & know you have the respect & love of most of us.
I was living in Baton Rouge during Katrina. Hard to believe this is a months long “cat-5” type disaster, but it is and it didn’t have to be this bad again.
 
Man, this is wild.
You guys hang in there & know you have the respect & love of most of us.
I was living in Baton Rouge during Katrina. Hard to believe this is a months long “cat-5” type disaster, but it is and it didn’t have to be this bad again.

It is wild ... was reading some of this to my wife a bit ago. The Katrina comparisons, hospitals on the brink, the USNS Mercy being requested ... unprecedented. Hate it for people.
 
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Yes, it’s different. Cases are high in all areas but we have higher deaths and hospitalizations. That’s mainly due to be lower vaccinated along with other factors. They had more mitigation measures than us. UK was shutdown until 3 weeks ago for example.
US death rates are down. Not sure where you are getting your information from.
 
do you believe this is because delta affects the younger cohort in a worse way compared to OG covid or is it more of a function that the older population is more vaccinated and delta is much more transmissible, leading to many more cases in the young and middle aged groups
It's quite clear that it's all about vaccination.
 
US death rates are down. Not sure where you are getting your information from.

No, they are up 2.5 times where they were 5 weeks ago. I would assume they will go up more until after our peak in cases is reached.
 
Mr Hickory said it's safe to get vaccinated. So, is your wife vaccinated? Older kids? You said you trusted him. He's, you know, not part of the machine so that checks boxes in your "Jeff Gilmer's open mind" task list, right?
I do trust him. Let's see what he knows about the long term effects of the vaccines. @mrhickory.....What do you know about the long term effects of the 3 vaccines for Covid-19?
 
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US death rates are down. Not sure where you are getting your information from.

Really. And, since you are so well-read and unbiased, you'd surely agree that deaths lag case growth and hospitalization by 3-5 weeks. So, these deaths were from July 4. We haven't even gotten into what has transpired the last 2-3 weeks.

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I do trust him. Let's see what he knows about the long term effects of the vaccines. @mrhickory.....What do you know about the long term effects of the 3 vaccines for Covid-19?

Maybe he should just be asking you. It'd apparently save him some time researching all the non-biased sites in Europe and Israel. He's pretty busy these days.
 
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What are you using for your source???

Every graph there is out there. Google US Covid daily deaths and you’ll see them. One had it at 4 times what it was 5 weeks ago. Which one are you using? The two main ones that pop up are worldometer and ny times.
 
I do trust him. Let's see what he knows about the long term effects of the vaccines. @mrhickory.....What do you know about the long term effects of the 3 vaccines for Covid-19?

I believe he said he thought people that had Covid a while ago should get vaccinated as well.
 
Good luck, Jeff. The vaccines are safe. Hope you do what's best for your family and that you encourage others to do the same.
I trust my God given antibodies over your 6-month man made vaccine. We can debate all night long. However, good luck to you and your family as well. And I truly mean that! I don't want anyone to suffer from this man made virus. I want EVERYONE to make the best decision for themselves. And if that is the vaccine, then so be it. I hope they get the vaccine and it protects them well. I don't want wish any ill will on anyone. My problem is vaccinated people pointing fingers at the unvaccinated.
 
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US death rates are down. Not sure where you are getting your information from.
All of your views make a lot more sense now. Whatever source you are looking at which shows deaths decreasing in the US is pure quackery. In early July, the US 7 day rolling average of deaths was down to 220 per day. Its now up 616 with a 92% increase in the last 2 weeks.
 
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Check out CDC VAERS. These are the most unsafe vaccines ever created. But good luck to you and your family!
That's some of the nuttiest anti-vax nonsense anyone could come up with. So much for all of your indignant claims that you aren't an anti-vaxxer.

Hundreds of millions have been vaccinated with a minuscule number of serious side effects and zero deaths linked to the vaccine. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and you should stop spreading your dangerous misinformation. No one with any sense is going to listen to BS you found online over real doctors who have been on this board throughout this crisis who universally agree the vaccines are safe and effective.
 
That's some of the nuttiest anti-vax nonsense anyone could come up with. So much for all of your indignant claims that you aren't an anti-vaxxer.

Hundreds of millions have been vaccinated with a minuscule number of serious side effects and zero deaths linked to the vaccine. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and you should stop spreading your dangerous misinformation. No one with any sense is going to listen to BS you found online over real doctors who have been on this board throughout this crisis who universally agree the vaccines are safe and effective.
So the CDC is some off the “nuttiest anti-vax nonsense”? Got it! Thanks Bro! You are one Brilliant Fella!
 
Exactly, we never come into contact with them and 67% were infected. Meaning, it travels between species by jumping from one to the other. Meaning we can't hide from mutations. It's impossible.

But we agree vaccines are the best solution. But we disagree on mutations. I don't think they can be stopped and honestly we don't want them to stop. We want it to mutate into a cold. Vaccines are going to keep us alive while the virus mutates.
Most of will stay alive. At no point has the CDC talked about lifestyle. Mind bottling
 
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All of your views make a lot more sense now. Whatever source you are looking at which shows deaths decreasing in the US is pure quackery. In early July, the US 7 day rolling average of deaths was down to 220 per day. Its now up 616 with a 92% increase in the last 2 weeks.
I tell you what. Let’s save this thread and see what happens down the road. Hope your vaccination works out well for you.
 
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That's some of the nuttiest anti-vax nonsense anyone could come up with. So much for all of your indignant claims that you aren't an anti-vaxxer.

Hundreds of millions have been vaccinated with a minuscule number of serious side effects and zero deaths linked to the vaccine. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and you should stop spreading your dangerous misinformation. No one with any sense is going to listen to BS you found online over real doctors who have been on this board throughout this crisis who universally agree the vaccines are safe and effective.
You literally believe everything the CDC puts out except this little tidbit of information?
 
So the CDC is some off the “nuttiest anti-vax nonsense”? Got it! Thanks Bro! You are one Brilliant Fella!
Why are you lying? The CDC does not say that these are "the most unsafe vaccines ever created" as you claimed. You have no idea how VAERS works. It's a clearing house for any medical issue someone has after taking a medication. When something is reported there, it doesn't mean it was caused by the medication in question. It's a tool for doctors and researchers so they can monitor for potential issues and investigate further where warranted. To date, very few serious side effects have been linked to the vaccines and zero deaths. If you had any sense, you'd stop putting more people's lives at risk by spreading your delusional anti-vax propaganda.
 
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Thank God yearly boosters won’t be needed except for the elderly and those with other immune issues. The best news I’ve heard this entire 18 months was the mRNA vaccines will last for years to protect against severe disease and death.
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Why are you lying? The CDC does not say that these are "the most unsafe vaccines ever created" as you claimed. You have no idea how VAERS works. It's a clearing house for any medical issue someone has after taking a medication. When something is reported there, it doesn't mean it was caused by the medication in question. It's a tool for doctors and researchers so they can monitor for potential issues and investigate further where warranted. To date, very few serious side effects have been linked to the vaccines and zero deaths. If you had any sense, you'd stop putting more people's lives at risk by spreading your delusional anti-vax propaganda.
You are evidently challenged when it comes to reading comprehension. When you look at the numbers posted on the CDC website under VAERS, the Covid vaccines are the most unsafe of any vaccine ever created. There are over 12,000 deaths, 46,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 permanently disabled as a direct result from the vaccinations. Those are facts posted by the CDC. And that’s probably underreported 10 fold + with all the pressure on these docs.
 
You are evidently challenged when it comes to reading comprehension. When you look at the numbers posted on the CDC website under VAERS, the Covid vaccines are the most unsafe of any vaccine ever created. There are over 12,000 deaths, 46,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 permanently disabled as a direct result from the vaccinations. Those are facts posted by the CDC. And that’s probably underreported 10 fold + with all the pressure on these docs.
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Oh! Why didn't you just say so!?! Do you have any theories as to why the CDC would publish all of that in plain sight where brilliant amateur researchers like you could find it? I am sure those figures mean exactly what you said as opposed to those being merely reports of people having issues/deaths after taking the vaccine where no causal link has been established.

I bet @mrhickory @stevesawbone and the rest of the bunker medical professionals will be happy to admit they somehow managed to miss all of that "evidence" and will immediately reverse their stance that everyone should get vaccinated.
 
Why are you lying? The CDC does not say that these are "the most unsafe vaccines ever created" as you claimed. You have no idea how VAERS works. It's a clearing house for any medical issue someone has after taking a medication. When something is reported there, it doesn't mean it was caused by the medication in question. It's a tool for doctors and researchers so they can monitor for potential issues and investigate further where warranted. To date, very few serious side effects have been linked to the vaccines and zero deaths. If you had any sense, you'd stop putting more people's lives at risk by spreading your delusional anti-vax propaganda.
I personally know 2 men who have died of heart attacks within 2 weeks of getting vaxed and I was texted tonight of a third heart attack victim that was 35. He didn’t die, but is in ICU, just recently vaxed. He is a distant cousin. Stick your head in the sand, trust your government and help pay that 30 trillion dollar debt Bro! It’s all good!
 
I personally know 2 men who have died of heart attacks within 2 weeks of getting vaxed and I was texted tonight of a third heart attack victim that was 35. He didn’t die, but is in ICU, just recently vaxed. He is a distant cousin. Stick your head in the sand, trust your government and help pay that 30 trillion dollar debt Bro! It’s all good!
Tighten up your tin foil, brave soldier for truth. You don't want Mr. H or Stevesawbone's brain control rays to be able to penetrate and convince you the vaccines are safe and effective.
 
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Oh! Why didn't you just say so!?! Do you have any theories as to why the CDC would publish all of that in plain sight where brilliant amateur researchers like you could find it? I am sure those figures mean exactly what you said as opposed to those being merely reports of people having issues/deaths after taking the vaccine where no causal link has been established.

I bet @mrhickory @stevesawbone and the rest of the bunker medical professionals will be happy to admit they somehow managed to miss all of that "evidence" and will immediately reverse their stance that everyone should get vaccinated.
No Mr Dumass8. I value their opinions. I ask them questions to make informed decisions. You prefer to be branded with the heard. Good for you!
 
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