Yeah, I am a Pfizer recipient. One of my kids is J&J but got that after having had COVID so should be good to go as well, at least as things seem to stand right now.
Quick Update: Gulf Coast COVID numbers
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There are some studies to show that the immunity decreases over time. I got my second dose in late February. I would consider a booster next February or March, but generally I’m in agreement that I won’t get another unless it is one that takes the variants into account. And realistically, by next year, that’s probably what we will have.
My wife got the J&J and I would like her to get a Moderna booster at some point. With delta, it might make sense for anyone who got J&J or Pfizer to get a Moderna booster considering how much better it has performed against delta.
I’m not sure why I would get it if the present vaccine I took has good efficacy of 80% plus vs symptomatic Covid and around 95% plus vs death or hospitalization. People keep talking about antibodies and efficacy for infection but that’s not as important.
In the US, Pfizer is 88% against symptomatic Covid and 95% plus vs hospitalization or death. The lower numbers are against infection with very little or no symptoms. As I’ve said, it’s great for Pfizer to be able to give boosters just for infection.
Surface-level ... if you look at England's run with the Delta variant, comparing case rates and deaths, I don't see how you can conclude that vaccines have no effect.
Also, again, surface level, you'd have to believe that all reports from hospitals, where 90%+ of in patients are not vaccinated, are bogus.
I agree that vaccines will most likely never eradicate this virus, but they work and they save people from illness and death.
Starting to change my mind about a booster. Thought about getting an infection with little to no symptoms or even real symptoms and passing it to my dad or MIL. I can’t take that chance. If they give a booster for normal people, I’ll have to give it string consideration even if Pfizer stays where it’s at on symptomatic Covid efficacy and death/hospitalization efficacy.
We will be able to look at heavily vaccinated areas here too to compare to UK and Israel like SF, VT, etc.
My entire family has gotten Moderna. My youngest hasn't gotten the shot yet because he is 17 and he turns 18 soon. He will get it when he turns 18 or they approve it, whichever comes first.
At this point I want my full vax card so I can travel, go to concerts, sporting events, etc. More and more places require it. So yes I am going to get the 2nd shot.
No it isn’t going away, many of us, myself included have thought from the beginning that the vaccine would be very similar to a flu vaccine that it would be required every year or possibly every other year.
Long term we as a society are going to have to decide what is a “manageable” risk. It’s like driving a car or flying, there will always be the risk of catching Covid, it boils down to taking that risk and returning to a somewhat normal life style or board yourself in you home.
There are no right or wrong decisions, but make no mistake if you decide that you should never leave home the government should not be your source of income, that is your responsibility as well.
I’ve read plenty, maybe to the point of being obsessive even. I’ve watched all videos from Dr. John Campbell, Dr. Roger Seheult (medcram), and Mike Hansen.
I fully believe when we are in position to study non-biased data, we will find that the current vaccines did little to prevent infection and people experienced severe disease and death at consistent rates as the vaccinated.
By all means, I think people should go get vaccinated for whatever protection they think they will get from it.
I’ve never read more wrong in a post than
“and people experienced severe disease and death at consistent rates as the vaccinated.” Those numbers are already available in many countries including the uS.
Damn. Didn’t you have Covid then vaccine then Covid recently again? I wonder if you should wait longer or ask your Dr. if you haven’t already. It will be interesting how they do this. I think they will just use the honor code.
Well, they do that for a reason - because it's the unvaccinated fueling this surge and putting us back to where we were back in January all over again.
Yes the vaccinated are getting the delta variant more than they were the previous mutations, but it's still overwhelmingly a surge of the unvaccinated. That's for a couple of reasons. First, the vaccinated are just far less likely to get infected in the first place. But even for those that do have a breakthrough infection, the viral loads they see in them are just as high as unvaccinated people early on, but quickly drops (within 5 days) while the viral loads in unvaccinated people persists. The reason for that is, the type of response the COVID vaccine produces in a person means that they have antibodies circulating around in high numbers in the bloodstream. The virus doesn't have long to replicate before those antibodies start attacking it and reducing the load before the person gets very ill or spreads it to a lot of people.
The way this doctor explains it, it's akin to someone trying to break into a house. While the vaccines don't 100% prevent the would-be burglar from getting on the property and opening the door, it's like the homeowner is armed with a bat on the other side of the door and when the guy gets in, starts beating the intruder up. The unvaccinated person is more like a home where no one's at home and the intruder virtually has free rein to ransack and steal.
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Look, our God-given immune systems are amazing and for most stuff they work great all on their own. But God also gave us medical knowledge, scientific advancement, men and women who study for years and dedicate their lives to understanding disease-causing pathogens and how to help our immune systems combat them, and the ability to produce treatments to alleviate symptoms and/or vaccines to help prevent them from doing serious damage to us. We should receive these wonderful advancements with thanksgiving just as freely and willingly as we receive and are thankful for the immune systems we're born with.
As has been said before, I trust God when I'm driving, but I still wear a seatbelt and buy cars with better safety features and crash test ratings. I trust God out on the lake in a boat, but I still have enough life vests for everyone on my boat. I trust God, but still have a security system, smoke detectors and lock my house at night. I trust God, but still take my prescribed medicines. It's a false dichotomy to pit trusting God with your immune system vs trusting in vaccines or other treatments. The things aren't mutually exclusive. Medical science and faith are not opposed to one another.
I'm always confused when I see graphics and "stats" like this. Do the people creating the stats really not understand that there is NO WAY we can accurately determine the number of vaccinated folks with breakthrough cases, because SO MANY are asymptomatic, or they have very mild symptoms and think they only have a cold, so they never go to the doctor, get tested for COVID or go somewhere else that would feed into the data they are using. It just becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts, and it's scary that there are educated people who make such egregious oversights when reporting and compiling stats on the pandemic.
The danger is that these "silent"/undetected folks are still carrying significant viral loads, and interacting with lots of other people, (both vaccinated and unvaccinated), passing COVID to them. This can create hidden spread. Unvaccinated will probably continue to get lit up do to regular spread, and this hidden spread contributing too, until we start back following best practices. It was a HORRIBLE mistake to tell everyone who was vaccinated that they could "get back to normal". We needed to continue following best practices and err on the side of caution.
The bammer did. I didn’t ever get tested or have any symptoms. Maybe this third shot will finally be the thing that affects me. I experienced zero effects from 1/2 outside of covid arm.
Believing something does not make it true. And casually throwing out "non-biased data" is a cop out. No reasonable person could review the existing data from sources all over the world and claim that the vaccines "do little to prevent infection". They are not perfect, they may decline in effectiveness over time and there are break through infections in the vaccinated, but the existing vaccines can and do prevent infection and lower the likelihood of an adverse outcome. If more people came around to that view, the situation in the SE US would be a whole lot better. That is simply a fact.
Unvaccinated people are certainly spreading this, but even the CDC has noted that viral loads in vaccinated infected people are insanely high. Since the vaccines marginally prevent infection, these people are virtually certain to be massively spreading this thing.
I know that's right. I hate to have to go to the doctor just to have them check my blood pressure, do a 5 minute Wendy Williams consult just so they can charge my insurance company. All this so I can get a script renewed or referral to a specialist etc.. I'ain got time for dat.
My doctor is fantastic and doesn’t insist on seeing me outside of my yearly physical unless something comes up. He’d probably e-scribe it if needed. It would just suck because that’s an extra phone call and an extra step. I can show them my Humira box for proof, haha.
Regarding being just down the road, just this morning one of my coworkers told me that his wife's best friend just died from COVID. Unvaccinated. Not overweight and no known comorbidities. She was about 40-years-old and was only sick for three days before dying. It hit her hard and fast. She lived in the Tuscaloosa area, but apparently taught school somewhere in MS in the Meridian area. I'm not sure which hospital system she was in, but obviously this stuff is not going to stay within any state borders. Wherever we live, it will make it to our area of the woods. This lady had a 13-year-old daughter who is an only child. She was an only child herself and the daughter's father already died several years back, so she is now an orphan and likely will have to live with her grandparents. Just terrible stuff.
This was one of ours from down here that passed last night. Healthy, young, unvaccinated male LEO with no comorbid conditions. Alpha was taking out the older with comorbid conditions, delta is different. Went from working on Friday to having passed 6 days later. We don’t know why it is affecting younger healthier people. With how our ICU’s look, we will have many of these stories. We have delivered three different women who are now on vent in their 20’s-30’s. They will likely never meet that child or see their other children again. They are now in the well-known declining steps that we see with patients that make it to this point.
Hopefully this scale of disaster doesn’t make it to your area of the woods. But we are just down the road from most of you.
Eh, I'd take that in a minute. I always try to bribe my doctor and say, "Look, you can charge for an office visit if you'll just call in the meds", (good grief).
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So sad to hear and prayers for the daughter. Folks please get vaccinated if you haven't already done so.
Wrong. They have lower viral loads based on the largest random sample in the UK with delta. They also stay contagious for less days. The unvaccinated are spreading it faaaaaar more.
I hope so too Stump, I’m glad my family, including myself, are all vaccinated. Except my 2 year old grandson, so I’m extremely fearful for his sake. Praying for bright future as well…
Hold up ... so when Hickory says that 91% of their COVID hospitalized are unvaccinated, but ~40% of the known population in the geographic area is vaccinated, how do you draw your conclusions?
The doctor literally shared why this is the case. His studies show that vaccinated people initially do carry significant viral loads - basically the same levels as unvaccinated people - but only for up to about 5 days. After that, while high viral loads persist for much longer in unvaccinated people, they drop off quickly for the vaccinated.
Look, I get asking about unknowns but you take it a step further and build a lot of assumptions - or at least suspicions - based off unknowns that aren't warranted. You keep seeing data after data after data showing that unvaccinated people are accounting for the vast majority of positive tests, the overwhelming majority of those hospitalized, an overwhelming majority of those in ICU, and an even more overwhelming majority of COVID deaths. And now there's this data showing how the viral loads are only the same in vaccinated people for a few days before dropping off significantly while the unvaccinated's viral loads persist at high levels. But you're all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "how can we really know" on it and it just doesn't make sense.
Oh there’s certainly right and wrong decisions. What a clown comment.
@mrhickory and/or @stevesawbone, would you mind debunking this misinformation when you have a moment? The lie that 12k deaths and 14k permanent disabilities have been linked to the vaccine is some of the most pernicious anti-vaxxer propaganda making the rounds at present.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but from what I have read, anyone can self report an issue to VAERS and obviously that report in no way establishes a link between a side effect and the vaccine. The purpose of the system is to make it easy to report anything that could possibly be related so doctors/researchers can sort through the reports and look into anything that warrants further investigation. It's easy to point out that Jeff has no idea how VAERS works, but he and others are much more likely to listen to an explanation from a doc like one of you.
Viral loads are lower also when it’s a random sample.
“One massive analysis of Delta transmission comes from the UK REACT-1 programme, led by a team at Imperial College London, which tests more than 100,000 UK volunteers every few weeks. The team ran Ct analyses for samples received in May, June and July, when Delta was rapidly replacing other variants to become the dominant driver of COVID-19 in the country. The results suggested that among people testing positive, those who had been vaccinated had a lower viral load on average than did unvaccinated people. Paul Elliott, an epidemiologist at Imperial, says that these results differ from other Ct studies because this study sampled the population at random and included people who tested positive without showing symptoms.“
I’m just here to say I still can’t believe people over 30 refuse to get vaccinated with delta looming
Correct. This isn’t the first dipshit that has absolutely no idea what VAERS is.
This surge will be over by the time they are immune but it will help prevent another wave.
The entire way you worded that paragraph tells me two things:
1. You don't really understand what VAERS is or how it works.
2. You should be sitting back and listening way more than you talk about COVID and vaccines for a while until you have a better grasp of that data you encounter. It's one thing to be ignorant. All of us are ignorant about some things at certain times in our lives because we just don't know any better or haven't had access to information. But it's dangerous to have information and not understand what it is, how its gathered, and what its limitations are yet go charging forward like we have a good grasp it and shoot our mouths off - especially in matters of life, death, and people's health. Right now, that's where you are.
Thanks for the info. I have a 17 year old daughter. She's my youngest. Based on everything I have heard and read, Moderna seems to be the best option.
Moderna is the one I got and had basically zero side effects (just a sore arm) after both shots.
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