I know this. No, I’m not giving out uncorroborated numbers. This is well known in the complex.
A&M also having similar trouble, fwiw.
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A&M also having similar trouble, fwiw.
Because he said he gave them the info and told them it’s a personal decision. What he has done by his inaction is increase the chances players will miss games compared to some rivals. Could uga have 10 players miss a game and they lose and we only have a couple of third stringers miss? Sure but that’s not likely. He didn’t increase the chances of players not missing like others did.
This is my thing. I am pro vax and think people should take it. I also think the dogma around it and the “take it or lose your freedoms” type attitude that has crept in some circles is troubling for down the road.
This lines up perfectly with BMatt stating a few weeks ago on the pod that he would force the team to get the vaccine, which nobody should be able to do. I’ve personally gotten the vaccine but I would never make someone else get it just because it’s not my place nor my body. This column is about as a piss poor as Goodman’s from this past week.
Thanks. I won't dig more. I appreciate your insight.
No, I would prefer the AD to set the policy for all athletics and be the fvcking BOSS.... If any particular coach takes issue, then they can talk it out. I'm not calling out ADAG, I'm simply stating that IMO it makes more sense for ADs across the country to handle this issue and also makes sense for them to push the vaccine since the bottom line could be impacted if their teams have issues during the season. We just disagree on this issue, not sure why you think it's so outlandish to want the AD to set athletics policy but obviously we're not gonna see eye to eye on this one.
I don’t think anyone is saying that and IMO you are missing the real point. Our new HC is obviously not encouraging our players to take a precaution that is best for their health according to overwhelming medical science, unlike our rival HCs. It’s also the best thing for the program he is leading as it would greatly reduce the risk of positive tests and disruption of the season.
I appreciate you not dropping trou and threatening to quit the site.
Interesting. Thanks JGT.
maybe this will lead to people dropping the Harsin anti-vax rhetoric
He has encouraged players to get the vaccine.
These media guys have a vendetta vs Harsin for being mean and cutting off some access. This has been made clear by many of these guys in their coverage.
Bryan Harsin was hired to coach the Auburn football team and win as many damned games as possible.
He, along with every other cfb coach, was placed in uncharted waters regarding team vax rates.
This issue doesn't have to be political as most here want to make it. There's blues not getting the vax and there's plenty of reds that did. Still, personal choice isn't a thing to scoff away.
We can all agree group think is real. Harsin could have been more direct regarding the vax, I agree, but we're dragging him through the mud for letting his players be the judge? Are they adults now? What if the majority of the team just refuses the vax atp? He could have taken the same stance as Saban or Kirby or Lane and what if it backfired?
Hiding your anger over this behind our seemingly "competitive disadvantage" is cynical. It's been boiling over in some of you since SEC media days.
He, along with every other cfb coach, was placed in uncharted waters regarding team vax rates.
This issue doesn't have to be political as most here want to make it. There's blues not getting the vax and there's plenty of reds that did. Still, personal choice isn't a thing to scoff away.
We can all agree group think is real. Harsin could have been more direct regarding the vax, I agree, but we're dragging him through the mud for letting his players be the judge? Are they adults now? What if the majority of the team just refuses the vax atp? He could have taken the same stance as Saban or Kirby or Lane and what if it backfired?
Hiding your anger over this behind our seemingly "competitive disadvantage" is cynical. It's been boiling over in some of you since SEC media days.
Sounds like a lot of people want him to FORCE players to get the vaccine (including the OP).
That's messed up.
Because the flu and COVID are not on the same level, neither in terms of infectiousness, nor in terms of serious complications or death. The worst flu outbreak in the last 20 years resulted in about 65,000 deaths in the US. We've lost over 630,000 people to COVID in the last 18 months and a similar drastic disparity in hospitalizations between COVID and the flu exist.
I dismiss it because I do understand actual science. I also understand that we are neither a libertarian nor anarchist society. When people's "liberty" puts other people at risk and overwhelms our hospitals, we as a society have a right to say that there are limits to that liberty. We can require a vaccine for the same reason we can tell you that you have to carry liability insurance on your car to drive, or that you can't drive 130 mph on the interstate. Or that your children, absent a documented, verified medical condition, have to be vaccinated to attend public schools.
And this is unique to Auburn? That seems odd. We somehow managed to sign a lot of ant vax players?
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Are suggesting the SEC will change their rules to punish Auburn?
Thought last season was complete BS when the B1G changed their rules so Ohio State could make the playoff and no league should change their guidelines to reward/punish a program.
That was a little harsh on my end. My apologies. Just tired of the COVID talk, and now it's exacerbated by a mods article. Also tired of the "you caught COVID you're a bad person" mantra. I've been here for too long to let COVID talk push me to leave this place. It wasn't really a "threat" more of a tired of the same BS talk for the past 2 years.
So Harsin is a terrible leader for not forcing his players to get vaxed? @BryanMatthews ?
Terrible leader not forcing these kids to get vaxed. Terrible.
OutstandingBecause the flu and COVID are not on the same level, neither in terms of infectiousness, nor in terms of serious complications or death. The worst flu outbreak in the last 20 years resulted in about 65,000 deaths in the US. We've lost over 630,000 people to COVID in the last 18 months and a similar drastic disparity in hospitalizations between COVID and the flu exist.
I dismiss it because I do understand actual science. I also understand that we are neither a libertarian nor anarchist society. When people's "liberty" puts other people at risk and overwhelms our hospitals, we as a society have a right to say that there are limits to that liberty. We can require a vaccine for the same reason we can tell you that you have to carry liability insurance on your car to drive, or that you can't drive 130 mph on the interstate. Or that your children, absent a documented, verified medical condition, have to be vaccinated to attend public schools.
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OUR ANTI-VAXXX COACH HAS ENCOURAGED OUR PLAYERS TO GET THE VACCINE, JUST LIKE AN ANTI-VAX PERSON WOULD DO!!!!
This made me laugh out loud, literally IRL, for like 20 seconds.
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So Coach Harsin's stance is that he's encouraging our players to get the vaccine but he is not bullying them into doing it or threatening them.
Wow, talk about a real extremist.
Wow, talk about a real extremist.
He should force these kids to get vaxed or not play and kick them off the team. Like a ttrue leader of men.
So the resistance is from the players? Or other coaches? Or administrative people?
I've been told from someone at A&M their alleged rate is close to 90%...
So..if true, you're saying that even a mostly vaccinated team can still have a COVID outbreak? No way...
come on man, he should've been vaccinated like Vrabel and none of this would be happening
so he did do what he was supposed to and should have because it is a personal decision, right? Is he to be condemned because he isn't forcing young men to go against their personal decisions? I seriously doubt he's advising anyone to not take the vaccine.
Because as long as we are below the vaccination threshold our players will get tested. Meaning our team could have just as many a-symptomatic positive COVID cases as Georgia, but they won’t get tested and we will because we are below the threshold.
It's not about Harsin testing positive ... it's about Harsin (and broader AU leadership) not having the team in a better position give the NCAA guidelines that were communicated months ago.
Harsin testing positive was "icing on the cake" confirmation for the frustration that has emerged since SEC Media Days over Harsin's lackadaisical attitude regarding the guidelines.
Agreed. What does BMatt want Harsin to do? Force vax in a free country? Jab them while they're sleeping?
We're seeing many many fully vaxed ppl getting covid. So there could be a Covid outbreak if the team is vax or not. Covid vax doesn't prevent getting covid, transmitting and testing positive.
*I'm fully vaxed btw.
