lolz. Stamp of approval from stump. @BryanMatthews has joined the covidboys.
FOOTBALL Monday musings...
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POTD right here, well said.
I'm not for or against the NCAA guidelines. They are what they are. Unvaccinated players that test positive get a 90 day window. That's it.
I am normally thinking along the same lines as you. But I think the problem you and an element of the fanbase have it that you wish to basically force young men under Harsin's charge, many of whom are minors, to receive two injections of a vaccine into their body so that they may be a more of a competitive advantage. Think about that for a moment, you are wanting people to inject a drug into their body just for a competitive advantage. Well, I guess we know they take injections for the pain to be more competitive, so what's the harm right? Besides to basically force someone right now to take a vaccine that is not FDA approved opens a huge liability door. Morally, I think I would have a hard time with this. It is not like there is a national security or defense issue with this.
You have to look at things both ways. There have been plenty of drugs in the past that were safe and some even approved by the FDA that later proved to be dangerous. Thalidomide comes to mind. While it is used today for certain medical issues, its use with pregnant women as a morning sickness treatment caused severe birth defects. Accutane is another such drug long advocated for severe acne but birth defects and causing suicides later proved its undoing.
Hell, even when they rolled out the polio vaccine there were issues. This is from the Journal of The Royal Society of Medicine on what is known as the Cutter Incident.
"In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10."
I have taken the vaccine and so have my children and wife with the exception of the oldest stepson and he had the disease back in February. Do I think the young people on the team should get the vaccine, yeah, I do, along with the meningitis, DIphtheria, measles, mumps, and other childhood diseases. However, those other vaccines are FDA approved and can be required by the University. I don't recall the HFC being required to make sure his team has those shots, it is a university requirement. Once this thing gets FDA approved, then the university can require it. Until then, I think the head coach is doing what his conscience and his job requires him to do.
You have to look at things both ways. There have been plenty of drugs in the past that were safe and some even approved by the FDA that later proved to be dangerous. Thalidomide comes to mind. While it is used today for certain medical issues, its use with pregnant women as a morning sickness treatment caused severe birth defects. Accutane is another such drug long advocated for severe acne but birth defects and causing suicides later proved its undoing.
Hell, even when they rolled out the polio vaccine there were issues. This is from the Journal of The Royal Society of Medicine on what is known as the Cutter Incident.
"In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10."
I have taken the vaccine and so have my children and wife with the exception of the oldest stepson and he had the disease back in February. Do I think the young people on the team should get the vaccine, yeah, I do, along with the meningitis, DIphtheria, measles, mumps, and other childhood diseases. However, those other vaccines are FDA approved and can be required by the University. I don't recall the HFC being required to make sure his team has those shots, it is a university requirement. Once this thing gets FDA approved, then the university can require it. Until then, I think the head coach is doing what his conscience and his job requires him to do.
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Yes. The SEC tossed the programs a softball
FDA grants full approval to Pfizer-BioNTech’s Covid shot, clearing path to more vaccine mandates
The FDA's approval of the Pfizer and BioNTech Covid shot will likely spur more businesses to adopt vaccine mandates for workers.
Same here. Except it will be Moderna. But you get the point.
and how do those unvaccinated players that test positive factor into the 85% rate?
No, I live in a world of facts. Name any OL that has missed significant time due to COVID? I'll wait.
Wrong board, OP.
The real question here is will the Bunker Powers That Be move a mod thread when it is fully taken over by COVID conversation?
The real question here is will the Bunker Powers That Be move a mod thread when it is fully taken over by COVID conversation?
That I don't know. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say they don't.
Now it becomes a University issue, Not the HFC. I was anticipating this action. However, if you read my post, there have been plenty of "safe" drugs that were later recalled. This just makes it easier for the University to mandate it.FDA grants full approval to Pfizer-BioNTech’s Covid shot, clearing path to more vaccine mandates
The FDA's approval of the Pfizer and BioNTech Covid shot will likely spur more businesses to adopt vaccine mandates for workers.www.cnbc.com
You don't find the first year HC of the program missing 10-14 days right before the season starts as "significant time" so I have a feeling there's no answer that will work for you here
so then more cases, including harsin, gets us closer to that 85% number. sounds like a win win
If you disagree with anything @BryanMatthews said, then I don't want to read another poster complaining about losing games. Ya'll better all be focusing on his character, how nice he is, how he doesn't force players to do things, etc. cause that's what you're saying by disagreeing that there is a competitive advantage to getting your team vaccinated.
By all accounts, there seems to be at least two starting OL out with Covid or the contact tracing. These players are missing two weeks on instruction that we all know they need. But even more important will be there conditioning. Are they going to be in game shape after COVID when we go to PSU, LSU or play UGA?
By all accounts, there seems to be at least two starting OL out with Covid or the contact tracing. These players are missing two weeks on instruction that we all know they need. But even more important will be there conditioning. Are they going to be in game shape after COVID when we go to PSU, LSU or play UGA?
It's a subject that is currently directly impacting our team. It's a football article, christ.
Whether he was vaccinated or not, he still would be quarantined, much like the Tn Titans coach. Hell, he might be vaccinated for all we know. It is really none of our business.
I'm about to that point myself.
No, I mean I would guess they don't factor into that 85% number. The vaccine rate decided upon by the NCAA would be a stand alone number, independent of the number of cases among unvaccinated.
Is this a musical comparison or based on something else? For example, TITTAYZ?
We have one week of fall camp left, or like 3 practices before game week prep begins...that's not "significant time".
I'm at my breaking point as well. Another day or two should do it
How can anybody read that article and think it’s about virtue signaling? It’s about a coach that’s paid $5 million a year to win games not doing what it takes to increase the odds of winning games.
Phizer received full FDA approval today. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Council and Hamm have been out, in addition to Trox for a few days which most have said was Covid Protocol
Rice already said he has zoom. It’s 2021 for God sakes.
It's doubtful most of the players have natural immunity. Time and again when we do testing of various populations to see if natural immunity is out there that might get us much closer to herd immunity, the numbers never seem to come back showing that to be the case.
Hell, Sweden last year essentially made a bed on getting to herd immunity by allowing peopel to get infected. While the rest of Scandinavia had tight restrictions with masking and social distancing, Sweden did very little in that regard, betting on asymptomatic infections to get them there sooner. After a few months of this while their hospitalizations and deaths were astronomically higher than their neighbors, they did random testing in Stockholm and other municipalities and found that despite their best efforts, the overwhelming percentage of the population there showed no indications of exposure to COVID at the time. The test results showed that only a few percent more of the population showed any antibodies indicating infection beyond the people they'd confirmed as having COVID. This notion that there's been some massive amount of people who've been infected without knowing it just has no evidence to back it up. Some? Sure. A difference making amount? Nope.
Your blue is really showing in this one.
There is no guarantee, Derek Mason had the jab and has tested positive. Just because you're jabbed it does not mean you will not have an out break.
People will start caring about the time Harsin missed because of his decision when Bo is in the middle of his annual meltdown whenever we do get to the meat of our schedule(if it doesnt happen before then). I think most of our fans are fine with things with a couple of cupcakes out of the gate, but anyone knows with the amount of time college coaches are limited to in person coaching with their players, all the practice time you get with your team in crucial. It's not like we're spending much time with specific game plans for competition as bad as ASU and GSU anyways.
Yes. Also, if a player is unvaccinated and test positive then others in contact with him can be tested even if vaccinated. That’s my understanding. If a team is at 100%, nobody is tested unless they “report” symptoms.
