FOOTBALL Monday musings...
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This is easily the worst Monday musings column I've read...but everyone deserves a mulligan sometimes.
What has Saban, Smart & Kiffin done that Bryan Harsin can’t? Jeez, it’s not hard coach. Push & advocate the vaccine. Get your team fully vaccinated & go win games. That’s what we pay you for. If the young man is misinformed about the vaccine, it’s your job to lead the group on gaining correct information.
I'm fully vaccinated. Very pro-vaccine. Think people not getting the vaccine are as dumb as people who refuse MMR, hepatitis, etc. vaccines.
The outrage over a FOOTBALL COACH (not doctor - AU doctors are suggesting all players get vaccinated) not forcing or shaming his real life, free-thinking human players to get the vaccine is absurd. The entire staff is educating players that the vaccines are safe and effective, and are then allowing them to make their own informed decisions.
What would you have the man do - tell them "get this vaccine or get off the team"?
The outrage over a FOOTBALL COACH (not doctor - AU doctors are suggesting all players get vaccinated) not forcing or shaming his real life, free-thinking human players to get the vaccine is absurd. The entire staff is educating players that the vaccines are safe and effective, and are then allowing them to make their own informed decisions.
What would you have the man do - tell them "get this vaccine or get off the team"?
because the buck stops with Harsin. With low rates, testing is done, more chance for covid protocols being enforced. AU is the outlier, and that’s not good.
Harsin and Mason are out due to protocol. Deshun Miller out of practice while trying to break starting lineup up and build depth as just one example.
no reason to be obtuse.
Come to think of it, them breaking up is the last time I've even heard his name. He fell completely off the relevancy cliff overnight
I tend to agree with you fully here, but I'm not sure Bryan was suggesting that. I think Bryan's point is (in regards to the danger of having to forfeit a game) why has AU had such low buy in for vaccinations vs our rivals, top teams in the country, and the rest of the SEC? It's a fair question imo and it's not a suggestion that Harsin give a mandate of take it or else, but rather - why is our ability to convince players that the vaccine is beneficial to the team's long term and immediate success so much less effective than Saban or Kirby or Lincoln, or whoever else.
Ok we just don’t agree on the point that the HC should be out front and a public advocate for something that best for the health of individuals and the team. It’s working for our competitors. I’m glad you are vaxxed.
We'll see I guess. Hopefully you're right but I can't help but think that many will just move on to their next ready made excuse.This is a step that many were waiting on, maybe it will persuade some more to have an open mind.
The F.D.A. grants full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine.
The decision will set off a cascade of vaccine requirements by hospitals, colleges, corporations, and some state and local governments.www.nytimes.com
I wonder if @Jay G. Tate would write a shame article on @BryanMatthews if he caught COVID from his "Side Chick". Even though the intent may not have been political, this topic will always be associated with political motivations. As our employers would say, "It's not the intent but the impact" we have to consider. This has definitely had an impact on the Bunker today.
the sec and ncaa has rules for 2021. They are taking it (slowing the spread) seriously, so there are consequences. No one is disappointed that there are cases of the virus. They are disappointed that AU has not done what it could as a team to avoid consequences. That we have allowed our rivals an advantage competitively. Do not confuse the issue.
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So if someone like Tank tells him ain't no way in hell I'm sticking that needle in my arm, what do you suggest Harsin do?
I'm just using Tank as an example
so if we have to sit 7-8 key starters vs PSU or LSU or uga, are you still gonna be pumping sunshine??
Lol. You contradict what @BryanMatthews says, someone points it out, and your response is to deflect and get defensive against the poster.
That's funny
He does some pretty interesting podcast topics. You have to pay for them, so the reach is much smaller than free podcasts. You can find clips though! Interesting cat
This is what I don't understand on the people quitting/transferring is required. Where would they go? If it's ever a requirement at AU it's going to be a requirement everywhere. Going to give up football and an education to not get it?
I am sorry but a young man's right to choose what he puts in his body is more important than any football game. I have taken the shot but I made that decision based on what I thought was the right thing for me at the time. Remember just because science says xyz today doesn't mean science will say the same thing 10 years, 10 months or even 10 minutes from now.
A Certificate of Religious Exemption can only be issued by a county health department. The parent or legal guardian must submit a written objection and receive education on the consequences of not immunizing their child. By State School Immunization Law, a Religious Exemption can only be issued to kindergarten through 12th grade and not to the institutions of higher learning.
Immunization | Alabama Department of Public Health (ADPH)
This page provides information about immunization in Alabama and the Immunization Division of the Alabama Department of Public Health.
www.alabamapublichealth.gov
College vaccination requirements are specified by individual institutions. There are no state-regulated college requirements for vaccination. However, it is recommended that college attendees be up-to-date with all childhood vaccines and to consider meningococcal vaccination for college freshman who will be living in dormitories.
Also of note, Alabama law actually says this with regard to religious exemptions and when they must be honored
(1) In the absence of an epidemic or immediate threat thereof, the parent or guardian of the child shall object thereto in writing on grounds that such immunization or testing conflicts with his religious tenets and practices; or
In other words, in the event of a epidemic or the threat of one, schools do not have to honor the religious exemption. Just thought that was interesting.
Exactly.
The time has come to choose between taking the vaccine, or not playing football here.
100% their choice.
This is just simply not true. At my wife's hospital, there are 7 pregnant women in ICU (all unvaccinated). Last week a pregnant 34 year old woman died after giving birth. In the same week, a vaccinated pregnant mother gave birth to a healthy baby and the baby tested positive for the antibodies, meaning that the vaccine had safely and successfully transferred to the baby. That's awesome news no matter what your stance on the vaccine is. The stuff going on in hospitals right now is terrible, so please don't spread this kind of false information. If you chose to not get the vaccine, fine, but you're doing damage pulling false statistics like that out of your ass.
No, they are not and it's asinine to say that they are.
No, it's that roughly 8x-15x as many people have died from this than they have from flu in any given year and it's still not done.
2017-18 shows 61,000 estimated deaths from the flu. It was by far the worst flu season we've had in recent history.
Past Seasons Estimated Influenza Disease Burden | CDC
These page includes information about the estimated burden of influenza from past seasons, including tables of the estimated influenza disease burden (and 95% credible interval [Cr I]) by age group.
www.cdc.gov
The chart there goes back to the 2010-11 flu season. All of the other flu seasons had between 12,000 to 51,000 deaths per season, most of them were in the 20-40k range.
Like I said, we have had 10x as many deaths from COVID as we had in our worst flu season. Some flu seasons we've had as low as 12k death - making COVID 52x more deadly than that flu season. The infectiousness (r-naught value) was already mutliple times higher than influenza but with delta its approaching the same infectious level as the measles.
What we know is that every place we measure, every way we look at the data, the delta variant is causing more young people to get infected than previous variants and we know that overwhelmingly, those who are getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, put in ICU or dying are unvaccinated people. Stop with the bullshit that we don't know how effective they are. The vaccines are by far the best weapon against COVID. Period.
The analogy is perfectly fine. It was one among many. We have many rights. Rights have limits and boundaries. For instance, my first amendment right to free speech doesn't mean I can knowingly spread lies and falsehoods about others with no consequences. Laws against libel, slander, defamation of character and so on place limits on my free speech. I have the right to vote, but its subject to laws and regulations that can curtail that right - such as voter identification requirements, voting only at specified locations (even if they are inconvenient for me), possibly having my voting rights stripped if I commit certain felonies. I have a right to keep and bear arms, but not any kind of arms I wish. I can own a handgun or a semi-automatic rifle for instance but there are prohibitions or severe restrictions on my ability to keep and bear other types of arms such as a Tomahawk missile, a Patriot missile battery, various types of explosives, nuclear weapons, etc.
The point was simply that none of our rights are absolute. They have limits. Society, through our government, can place (and always has placed) some restrictions on them. This is no different.
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believe he said BMatt has the side chick
I am for anyone's right to privacy. And I am also for letting players make their own choices when it concerns their health? Does anyone honestly believe that the players aren't talking with med professionals, their parents and the coaches when they make their decision? Come on what this really comes down to is the people that are pissed off are mad because they think the games are more important.
That guy you responded to is the absolute craziest mfer I have seen here in over 15 years. He makes the regular crazies nervous.
Nice post, but a classic example of casting pearls before swine.
But you have dropped the ball in not encourage EVERY member of the Bunker to get vaccinated. What happens with @Mikecb22 had to quarantine, or @Denim Vest went down right before basketball season? It’s your job as Commodore to ensure we are not placed at a competitive disadvantage as a message board. What are you doing today to ensure that?
So you think coaches should make personal health decisions with the end goal of winning football games?
I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of pansies in my life. Hardcore football fans losing their collective minds because BMatt has an opinion.
I think they should make it clear they should get vaccinated and lead by example. He has done neither imo.
the man is paid $5.25m a year to beat and compete with our rivals based on the rules. Not forfeit and allow them to extend their competitive advantages.
sometimes teams make group decision that is best for the team. Sacrificing personal decisions to get what they want as- United group coming together. Same in any group, business, etc.
Maybe but that's not my concern. I hate that we are (reportedly) last in the SEC in vax rate and I have a hard time thinking that's a good thing for the health of the players, and that it's not a reflection at some level of leadership.
You said “he’s paid to win games.” You are insinuating he should put any personal health reservations he has aside in order to win football games, no?
I know. You didn't write the article. I meant it as a joke. I should have added a LOL to make it funnier. If @BryanMatthews wanted to post something that would get a lot of clicks, he has accomplished it.
How do you really know? I tend to think that the players are making informed decisions. It's not the decision I made but I can't tell someone to make the same decision I did. I would encourage them to just as CBH has done.
Within reason yes. If he won’t. Someone will for $5.25m/yr. It does not seem to be a problem for all of our rivals......
im sure someone is explaining it to him already.
What personal health reservations? Anybody that thinks the vaccine is more dangerous than Covid is wrong.
