FOOTBALL Monday musings...
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Yes. I know someone who was there and saw it.
still wouldnt touch the subject. this could be a fear she has cause she has struggled with infertility previously.
This was already a bad thread and Daniel Lucio managed to make it the worst thread
I try to block out the true anti vaxxers like this. its one thing to be against the covid vaccine its another to be against any vaccine.
A ****ing men. When did rivals start producing sensationalist nonsense? This article is as much of a low blow as you can get. Imagine getting shit for being as ethical as you can possibly be? Weird times we are living in.
From his quote I took it to imply he meant she was 'less smart' and that's why she was avoiding the vaccine to give birth. Not equating her job status to fertility.
what part of the article is political?
As stated in the other thread, if Harsin believes forcing vaccines/public proclamations for vaccines would be more deleterious for the team than risking being under the 85% threshold then he has an obligation to all of us as AU fans to not stump for them. Strictly on a win/loss basis of course
It does seem that you and BMatt are saying opposite things here. BMatt states in his article that Auburn is at a competitive disadvantage and seems to lay that at Harsin's feet, as if Harsin isn't doing enough to avoid that disadvantage. You are saying Harsin is encouraging players to get vaccinated, so as not to be at a competitive disadvantage. Is there something I'm missing here?
You can't escape it. It's a shame. Every part of our daily lives deals with this s***.
Yeah. You’re missing that I haven’t and won’t offer a stance on this issue. So kindly stop trying to force one down my throat. You’re as bad as the people saying adults should be FORCED to do this or that.
This followed by the guilt and shaming society is doing is "something".
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@BryanMatthews wrote that as Harsin being anti-vax coach not pushing the vax on his team. Then Jay say's the oposite in the same thread. Then Jay is saying Bryan didn't say this. It's really weird.
Seems there is confusion from a few people on this. I don't think anyone is being aggressive with you or forcing you to do one thing or another. Just trying to understand. Both could be true...
Maybe @BryanMatthews can chime in for us. So, IYO, Harsin just isn't doing enough vocally w/in the program and publicly...even through he has maybe kinda encouraged some or all players to get it? As in he's encouraging it, but he's done no where near as much as Lane or Saban or others to bring in experts to talk to the kids & explain the benefits, negative impacts to the team, etc.
There's def a distinction in the details of all this. Harsin could say "hey get the vaccine" to his players, but it still isn't enough vs what other coaches has done. He hasn't put emphasis on it like others, even though it's possible he told players to get it
That isn't what is happening here. Bryan said one thing and you came in and totally contracted what he said. Stance or no stance on this. This is one unreal thread. Wow.
@BryanMatthews made Harsin out to be a anti-vaxer in the article. This is just Ming numbing stuff.
Didn’t know Jay Goodman wrote for the Bunker🤔
Pathetic!
Pathetic!
Seems aggressive. Wasn't trying to force anything down your throat. Just looking for some clarity. Won't ask again.
I don’t see what I have to do with any of this. I don’t see why I get tagged in it at all. @DufnerFanBoy
jfc. What is wrong with you? Tell me your are trollin so I can go take a shit in peace.
Wdym? It's the entire point. He says it's safe at 6 months. That's not enough. Let's see the long term.
No offense intended, but I'm pretty sure that none of what you mention here is accurate. Local school districts have no recourse if a student decides to opt out of vaccination. State law overrides local school board decisions. If there is evidence to the contrary, I'd like to see it. As for public universities, I am less familiar with the requirements there because I don't know anyone personally who has (yet) dealt with that situation, but I'm pretty sure that Alabama colleges and universities are similarly required to grant religious exemptions from vaccination. I know that some actually do. For example, here is a link to UAB's religious exemption form for people to opt out...
https://www.uab.edu/students/health/images/DOCUMENTS/Religious_Exemption_Form.pdf
I'd also be surprised if Title IV of the federal civil right laws don't come into play if colleges or universities try to block students who refuse to vaccinate. Students simply do not have to vaccinate in order to attend college if they object on religious grounds. And of course, the above only applies in the case of historically "usual" vaccines like for measles, mumps, hepatitis, etc. In the case of the COVID vaccine, there are more specific options for opting out, at least in Alabama. For example, here is some recent guidance from the state attorney general...
Per this guidance, institutions of education, both public and private, cannot require students to provide their immunization status as a requirement for attendance.
Look, I am a proponent of vaccination and think almost everybody should be getting the shots. I understand the frustration people feel about it. It rankles a lot of people that people refuse to vaccinate and cannot be forced to do so. A lot of people seem to really want it to be true that schools can force students to vaccinate as a condition of admission, but it just isn't the case. People can opt out of these vaccines and attend school and their fellow citizens cannot do anything about that. It's just part of living in a pluralistic society. Which is generally as it should be, IMO, even though I think people should get the vaccines.
IDK how things work here, but you are the owner/editor of the site posting things in @BryanMatthews article thread that are a bit contradictory to what was written in said article.
BM: Harsin hasn't put an emphasis on players getting the vaccine. "he’s dropped the ball when it comes to COVID and vaccines."
You: "Harsin has encouraged ppl to get the vaccine"
I think people are just trying to understand. Maybe in @BryanMatthews opinion, even though he has encouraged ppl, maybe he's just not making it a huge focal point like Lane or Saban did. Doctors/Speakers/Encouraging Coaches to hold their players accountable, etc. In doing so, we're at the lowest possible rate.
Maybe you guys aren't contradicting each other...just follow up question
Nothing but speculation on your part and what right do we have to know whether CBH got vaccinated or not? The team medical staff has provided the information to the players as JayG stated in previous posts. Why is it a problem if a player wants to make his own decision on that status of his own health? I am just utterly amazed at how some of you are going apeshit over players making their own choices.
I made my own choice and got vaccinated. Sure I want the players and others to do the same but it's their own decision, period!
So why would 20% of our team quit but no one on LSU or OM or Bama or UGA? What makes our group of 85 18-22 year olds so much different from the groups of 85 18-22 year olds at those schools?
