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According to ESPN, he took a shoulder to the chest and went into cardiac arrest...

You just couldn’t let it go- sure it was “ill-timed” if relevant or not.

You, Stump, and DM8 were just laying into him non stop.

It all became less about the reality of a football players injury and more of an e-fight between a bunch of children
The anti-vax nuts are the ones who kept ranting about how the vaccine had caused this guy's heart to stop at the exact moment he took a hard hit to the chest. Dozens of people called them out and posted links to credible medical explanations for what happened. If you saw that as a "both sides" situation, you're almost as nuts as the anti-vax loons.
 
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The anti-vax nuts are the ones who kept ranting about how the vaccine had caused this guy's heart to stop at the exact moment he took a hard hit to the chest. Dozens of people called them out and posted links to credible medical explanations for what happened. If you saw that as a "both sides" situation, you're almost as nuts as the anti-vax loons.
The both sides group are the worst. Cowards.
 
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Wouldn't you need more than one occurrence to even begin to conjecture a *pattern*?
I am saying this is not normal and someone much smarter than me needs to drill-down and find out what is going on.

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I am saying this is not normal and someone much smarter than me needs to drill-down and find out what is going on.

Jordan Michallet -Prof Rugby player (29)
Mateo Hernandez - Prof Soccer player (19)
Victor Lindelof -Premier league (27)
Brnason King - College hockey -(23)
alexander frolov -prof Hockey

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Jordan Michallet committed suicide by crashing his car into a bridge. You people are unhinged.
 
over 700 athletes (common age of 23) have collapsed suffering cardiac arrest while competing in the last year. That's more than one.

But can you prove it? Were you there? Did you see each one with your own eyes and document it in an official manner that the entire Covid agenda brigade will aPprOvE?

That's MIsinForMation and anyone concerned about potentially saving lives is an anti-vaxxer who should be blocked from social media. Didn't Hank Gaithers die well before the vaccine? That PROVES that athletes die sometimes. Those untrue stats are only due to them actually catching Covid, and I don't have to verify that assumption.

Everyone who is smart knows that it's scientifically impossible for new technology like the vaccines to have ANY FLAWS whatsoever. It's a "modern medical miracle" that the vaccines were 100% perfect right out of the gate, and we understood EVERYTHING about them right from the very beginning and could therefore GUARANTEE that they were 100% "safe and effective". The actual real world data that proved otherwise is only more misinformation. Delusion and deception is best for all involved.

Are you some kind of quack that pays attention to statistical anomalies, tries to be reasonably objective while chasing down root causes so that you can potentially save lives??? There are things that are MUCH more important than saving lives. #UmWriteAboutDisNoD(umb)oubt
 
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Brother au4life, you're far too reasonable to waste any valuable time on the little gen... he's little. I do enjoy the entertainment value pursuant to presentation of facts which are thankfully strongly incongruent to any of their beliefs/values. None more easily triggered than the little bitty gen, the gatorboy and ole Dee M Eight.
Dr. Stumpee is a close second but he actually makes sense now and then but then again... he's a Dr.

Honestly, it's truly one of the sadder episodes I've ever seen, (over the past couple of years). It's AMAZING that reasonably intelligent people all over the world would dismiss rationale and participate in such a massive bout of delusion.

You just try to keep tapping to see if anyone is home, and HOPE and pray that reality and truth can somehow set in.
 
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It doesn't get much better on this board than watching these two double down into oblivion that they believe the evil vaccine was lying in wait in this guy's system and just so happened to make his heart stop at the very moment he took the hard hit to the chest. What an incredible display.

This is the nth example of your complete lack of character and integrity.

I hate to shut you down summarily like this, but please go and get just a few examples where I EVER said or implied that the "evil vaccine" wrecked this guys. If you can't, it's clear to everyone that you are lying.

Unfortunately, you've operated like this for years, and it's truly sad. Even when you have been presented irrefutable proof, you have consistently chosen to lie, stop up your ears and ignore while acting as if it never happened.
 
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Jordan Michallet committed suicide by crashing his car into a bridge. You people are unhinged.
I personally have talked t 3 individuals (perfectly healthy) in their late 20s and early 30s that have had the same issue within the last 2 years. And I don't go looking for it, just random conversations from work. It's definitely going on, I just don't know what is causing it. My unprofessional, uneducated guess would be damage left by the covid virus.
 
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You don't even have the slightest clue where he got that number from, yet here you are, already defending it.

Sigh.... What I said stands regardless of whether his source is legit. There are other sources out there, but it wouldn't matter one whit with you. I've seen how you and the circle jerk crew react even when presented with solid facts.

Let me ask you an honest question. If the numbers were higher, do you believe they would be reported honestly, looked in to, and have the information shared if it just so happened that there were issues??? Or, is it more likely than any negative information might be suppressed and labeled "misinformation" as was the case during the pandemic?

Lastly, you didn't fare too well in the two posts HERE: and HERE2:. Did you not understand what was said, or you just decided to not respond? Is it truth or not? If so, why wouldn't you acknowledge it as truth???
 
I hate to shut you down summarily like this, but please go and get just a few examples where I EVER said or implied that the "evil vaccine" wrecked this guys. If you can't, it's clear to everyone that you are lying
Your post in the thread the other night after Damar collapsed (after being speared in the chest, by the way):
I sure hope not, and I am praying right now, but unfortunately, there have been a lot of prime conditioned athletes dropping dead, and the NFL has been spared. God help him.


Why don't you have some intellectual honesty and admit you were trying to suggest the vaccine had something to do with it? Or you can keep trying to weasel out of it. Your call.
 
I am saying this is not normal and someone much smarter than me needs to drill-down and find out what is going on.

Jordan Michallet -Prof Rugby player (29) -Suicide
Mateo Hernandez - Prof Soccer player (19)
Victor Lindelof -Premier league (27)
Brnason King - College hockey -(23)
alexander frolov -prof Hockey

FIFA Players
Four Elite Players
Your own article says they suffered from Covid, no? But you’re trying to put it on the vaccine?
 
From your article:

The Gabonese Federation tweeted at the time: “According to the CAF medical commission, the players Pierre Emerick Aubameyang, Axel Meye and Mario Lemina, just out of Covid, cannot take part in this match.
So you agree there is an issue? I don't think it's normal and as I said earlier, my guess would be the covid virus is causing a large uptick in heart issues. What I do know is that it's not normal and they need to figure out what exactly is causing this problem.
 
So you agree there is an issue? I don't think it's normal and as I said earlier, my guess would be the covid virus is causing a large uptick in heart issues. What I do know is that it's not normal and they need to figure out what exactly is causing this problem.
COVID is known to cause heart problems. This isn't new information.
 
One of the first things he did was lie and misrepresent his contributions to mRNA vaccine development. Called himself the “inventor of mRNA vaccines”.

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Scientists arguing over credit is nothing new. Clearly he spent 30+ years in the field and is one of the key people behind the vaccine research that led to the mRNA vaccine.

I don't think you can simply dismiss this kind of expertise - and I suspect very few people did until he did the unthinkable and questioned whether it was ready to go out.

He's clearly an expert in the field and there is zero reason to accuse him of disinformation. He may have a different opinion, but that's kind of what science is about - exploring various pathways to a result. Science is NOT about government mandates, or ostracizing people with views that you don't like.
 
Can we accept that there is a very real possibility that athletes (not specifically Hamlin) are collapsing from side effects of not only COVID but also the vaccines/boosters? I think the agitating issues are that certain posters who are not "experts" speak in facts when in reality they're not factual statements. It's like a moth to a flame.

I am of the opinion that COVID and the vaccine have side effects that we have not begun to understand. I am, also, of the opinion that it would be very coincidental for Hamlin to have gone into cardiac arrest due to COVID or vaccination/booster based on the events I saw with my eyes Monday night.
 
Scientists arguing over credit is nothing new. Clearly he spent 30+ years in the field and is one of the key people behind the vaccine research that led to the mRNA vaccine.
No, claiming you're the inventor of mRNA vaccines despite that clearly not being the case is not normal or acceptable.

I don't think you can simply dismiss this kind of expertise - and I suspect very few people did until he did the unthinkable and questioned whether it was ready to go out.
You're more than welcome to buy what he's selling, but the vast majority of scientists in his field and related fields do not.
He's clearly an expert in the field and there is zero reason to accuse him of disinformation.
Except for the fact that he lied about inventing mRNA vaccines.

He may have a different opinion, but that's kind of what science is about - exploring various pathways to a result. Science is NOT about government mandates, or ostracizing people with views that you don't like.
No, science is a method for trying to understand the world. One thing that immediately makes one lose credibility in the scientific community is lying. And he lied, whether you want to accept that or not.
 
But can you prove it? Were you there? Did you see each one with your own eyes and document it in an official manner that the entire Covid agenda brigade will aPprOvE?

That's MIsinForMation and anyone concerned about potentially saving lives is an anti-vaxxer who should be blocked from social media. Didn't Hank Gaithers die well before the vaccine? That PROVES that athletes die sometimes. Those untrue stats are only due to them actually catching Covid, and I don't have to verify that assumption. Everyone who is smart knows that it's scientifically impossible for new technology like the vaccines to have ANY FLAW whatsoever. It's a miracle that they were 100% perfect, and we understand EVERYTHING about them right now.

Are you some kind of quack that pays attention to statistical anomalies, tries to be reasonably objective while chasing down root causes so that you can potentially save lives??? There are things that are MUCH more important than saving lives. #UmWriteAboutDisNoD(umb)oubt
I'd like to know when the time is appropriate to start asking questions.

"The key to wisdom is this - constant and frequent questioning, for by doubting we are led to question, by questioning we arrive at the truth"
 
I'd like to know when the time is appropriate to start asking questions.​

"The key to wisdom is this - constant and frequent questioning, for by doubting we are led to question, by questioning we arrive at the truth"
Here's another question to consider.... why aren't any experts in international sports leagues in agreement with you?

FIFA is not aware of any increase in the number of footballers having cardiac arrests while on the pitch. World soccer’s governing body also said it has not seen any cases attributed to individuals receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.​
Reuters presented these claims to FIFA, which said: “FIFA is not aware of a rise in episodes of cardiac arrests as indicated in your email and no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a COVID vaccine.
“Generally speaking, FIFA is in regular contact with leading research centres and experts to do research on a variety of medical topics.”​

Here's a more recent analysis by Cardiologist Christopher Lagos:

Some claim that the risk of vaccination in young men is a controversy that deserves debate. But it isn’t a controversy. It’s a hoax. A controversy is a point where reasonable people disagree. A hoax is just simply untrue. And it is untrue that young men are dying as a result of getting vaccinated.

 
So it's all figured out, nothing to see here and don't ask questions..problem solved.
Were you not aware that COVID causes heart issues? It's pretty well-established and it has been for years:

 
Here's another question to consider.... why aren't any experts in international sports leagues in agreement with you?

FIFA is not aware of any increase in the number of footballers having cardiac arrests while on the pitch. World soccer’s governing body also said it has not seen any cases attributed to individuals receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.​
Reuters presented these claims to FIFA, which said: “FIFA is not aware of a rise in episodes of cardiac arrests as indicated in your email and no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a COVID vaccine.
“Generally speaking, FIFA is in regular contact with leading research centres and experts to do research on a variety of medical topics.”​

Here's a more recent analysis by Cardiologist Christopher Lagos:

Some claim that the risk of vaccination in young men is a controversy that deserves debate. But it isn’t a controversy. It’s a hoax. A controversy is a point where reasonable people disagree. A hoax is just simply untrue. And it is untrue that young men are dying as a result of getting vaccinated.

FIFA is in on the conspiracy!!! They don’t want you to know, man!! You have to think for yourself.
 
I'd like to know why you take such offense to individuals who have legitimate questions as to why exactly there is an uptick in cardiovascular events in the last two years.
You're confused. No one is taking offense to the well-established fact that COVID-19 (the disease, not the vaccine) causes cardiovascular damage.
 
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I'd like to know why you take such offense to individuals who have legitimate questions as to why exactly there is an uptick in cardiovascular events in the last two years.
Because 95% of the time, it’s disingenuous, political bullshit. Not saying that’s you, but it’s hard to tell the wheat from the chaff sometimes.
 
Can we accept that there is a very real possibility that athletes (not specifically Hamlin) are collapsing from side effects of not only COVID but also the vaccines/boosters?
No. Because there is zero evidence to suggest it.

I think the agitating issues are that certain posters who are not "experts" speak in facts when in reality they're not factual statements. It's like a moth to a flame.
No, the agitating issues are the conspiracy theorists who just couldn't wait to blame the vaccine and start bringing up completely unfounded claims that athletes all over the world are suddenly dropping dead ever since the vaccines came out.

I am of the opinion that COVID and the vaccine have side effects that we have not begun to understand.
COVID, possibly. The vaccines, no chance. Years now of post-market surveillance in addition to the extremely well-controlled and documented clinical trials. The side effects are known. Vaccine side effects do not just suddenly appear out of the biological ether, years down the line.
 
No. Because there is zero evidence to suggest it.


No, the agitating issues are the conspiracy theorists who just couldn't wait to blame the vaccine and start bringing up completely unfounded claims that athletes all over the world are suddenly dropping dead ever since the vaccines came out.


COVID, possibly. The vaccines, no chance. Years now of post-market surveillance in addition to the extremely well-controlled and documented clinical trials. The side effects are known. Vaccine side effects do not just suddenly appear out of the biological ether, years down the line.

Interesting on all statements. I have personal experience that disproves some statements, but it’s not worth arguing. You’re correct.
 
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