According to ESPN, he took a shoulder to the chest and went into cardiac arrest...

[Little_General]

So it's all figured out, nothing to see here and don't ask questions..problem solved.

Were you not aware that COVID causes heart issues? It's pretty well-established and it has been for years:

COVID-19 cardiac injury: Implications for long-term surveillance and outcomes in survivors

Up to 20%–30% of patients hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) have evidence of myocardial involvement. Acute cardiac injury in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 is associated with higher morbidity and mortality. There are no ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

COVID-19 cardiovascular epidemiology, cellular pathogenesis, clinical manifestations and management

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a rapidly progressing global pandemic that may present with a variety of cardiac manifestations including, but …

www.sciencedirect.com

Cardiovascular complications in COVID-19

The coronavirus disease of 2019 (COVID-19) is caused by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). While systemic inflammation …

www.sciencedirect.com

Cardiovascular disease and COVID-19

Many patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) have underlying cardiovascular (CV) disease or develop acute cardiac injury during the course of the illness. Adequate understanding of the interplay between COVID-19 and CV disease is required for ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

COVID-19, ACE2, and the cardiovascular consequences | American Journal of Physiology-Heart and Circulatory Physiology

The novel SARS coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 pandemic may be particularly deleterious to patients with underlying cardiovascular disease (CVD). The mechanism for SARS-CoV-2 infection is the requisite binding of the virus to the membrane-bound form of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) and...

journals.physiology.org

 

[MatthewJ]

Here's another question to consider.... why aren't any experts in international sports leagues in agreement with you?

FIFA is not aware of any increase in the number of footballers having cardiac arrests while on the pitch. World soccer’s governing body also said it has not seen any cases attributed to individuals receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.​

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Reuters presented these claims to FIFA, which said: “FIFA is not aware of a rise in episodes of cardiac arrests as indicated in your email and no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a COVID vaccine.​

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“Generally speaking, FIFA is in regular contact with leading research centres and experts to do research on a variety of medical topics.”​

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Fact Check-FIFA unaware of rise in players having cardiac arrests on football pitches and such incidents not flagged as being linked to COVID-19 vaccines

FIFA is not aware of any increase in the number of footballers having cardiac arrests while on the pitch. World soccer’s governing body also said it has not seen any cases attributed to individuals receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

www.reuters.com

Here's a more recent analysis by Cardiologist Christopher Lagos:

Some claim that the risk of vaccination in young men is a controversy that deserves debate. But it isn’t a controversy. It’s a hoax. A controversy is a point where reasonable people disagree. A hoax is just simply untrue. And it is untrue that young men are dying as a result of getting vaccinated.​

Young athletes dying from vaccines? That's a hoax.

This article was originally posted in the Montreal Gazette. Stop me if you’ve heard this one before. There’s this idea out there that young men, especially athletes, have been dying after getting vaccinated. The idea has been bouncing around the internet for more than a year and seems to have...

www.mcgill.ca

FIFA is in on the conspiracy!!! They don’t want you to know, man!! You have to think for yourself.

 

[Mr John Gault]

I'd like to know when you're going to post a source for your claim.

I'd like to know why you take such offense to individuals who have legitimate questions as to why exactly there is an uptick in cardiovascular events in the last two years.

 

[Stumpfan]

Just curious, why are you so defensive of the covid vaccine?

Just curious, why are you posting articles that don’t support your anti vaccine views?

 

[Little_General]

I'd like to know why you take such offense to individuals who have legitimate questions as to why exactly there is an uptick in cardiovascular events in the last two years.

You're confused. No one is taking offense to the well-established fact that COVID-19 (the disease, not the vaccine) causes cardiovascular damage.

 

[MatthewJ]

I'd like to know why you take such offense to individuals who have legitimate questions as to why exactly there is an uptick in cardiovascular events in the last two years.

Because 95% of the time, it’s disingenuous, political bullshit. Not saying that’s you, but it’s hard to tell the wheat from the chaff sometimes.

 

[Little_General]

Can we accept that there is a very real possibility that athletes (not specifically Hamlin) are collapsing from side effects of not only COVID but also the vaccines/boosters?

No. Because there is zero evidence to suggest it.

I think the agitating issues are that certain posters who are not "experts" speak in facts when in reality they're not factual statements. It's like a moth to a flame.

No, the agitating issues are the conspiracy theorists who just couldn't wait to blame the vaccine and start bringing up completely unfounded claims that athletes all over the world are suddenly dropping dead ever since the vaccines came out.

I am of the opinion that COVID and the vaccine have side effects that we have not begun to understand.

COVID, possibly. The vaccines, no chance. Years now of post-market surveillance in addition to the extremely well-controlled and documented clinical trials. The side effects are known. Vaccine side effects do not just suddenly appear out of the biological ether, years down the line.

 

[AUfamily82]

No. Because there is zero evidence to suggest it.


No, the agitating issues are the conspiracy theorists who just couldn't wait to blame the vaccine and start bringing up completely unfounded claims that athletes all over the world are suddenly dropping dead ever since the vaccines came out.


COVID, possibly. The vaccines, no chance. Years now of post-market surveillance in addition to the extremely well-controlled and documented clinical trials. The side effects are known. Vaccine side effects do not just suddenly appear out of the biological ether, years down the line.

Interesting on all statements. I have personal experience that disproves some statements, but it’s not worth arguing. You’re correct.

 

[Mule96]

I'd like to know when you're going to post a source for your claim.

have you been in a f^cking cave during the last year?

 

[Little_General]

Interesting on all statements. I have personal experience that disproves some statements, but it’s not worth arguing. You’re correct.

Who doesn't love an argument?

 

[Little_General]

have you been in a f^cking cave during the last year?

So do you have a source or were you just pulling numbers out of your ass?

 

[Mr John Gault]

No, claiming you're the inventor of mRNA vaccines despite that clearly not being the case is not normal or acceptable.


You're more than welcome to buy what he's selling, but the vast majority of scientists in his field and related fields do not.

Except for the fact that he lied about inventing mRNA vaccines.


No, science is a method for trying to understand the world. One thing that immediately makes one lose credibility in the scientific community is lying. And he lied, whether you want to accept that or not.

Pericarditis

I personally know two, young individuals that had significant cardiac issues within days of the 2nd vaccine. I've had a cardiologist speculate directly to me that he thought the time length between dose 1 and dose 2 was way too brief and this could be a major factor. I just don't understand why some get so upset when these incidents are questioned.

 

[fugawee]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sji.13242

“Two hundred seventy-nine athletes and former athletes in the United States have died from cardiac arrests after taking COVID-19 vaccines, according to data from a recent peer-reviewed study.”

Unfortunately it’s behind a pay wall. That said without specifics that none of us have we can’t be sure of individual cases like the one Monday night. Calling people names is never healthy dialogue.

 

[au4life_rz]

Your post in the thread the other night after Damar collapsed (after being speared in the chest, by the way):



Why don't you have some intellectual honesty and admit you were trying to suggest the vaccine had something to do with it? Or you can keep trying to weasel out of it. Your call.

I've never tried to "weasel" out of anything, and in this case, there is nothing to weasel out of. Unfortunately, you, DM8 and others take the cake when it comes to be verified weasels and out and out liars. Just look how you guys are exaggerating. You can't provide a single post where I said anything about an "evil vaccine", and the post you quoted certainly didn't contain that quote either.

I was given incorrect information by my daughter, (who doesn't really know about sports), saying a player had just dropped on the field and they were doing CPR. I turned the game back on and saw the hub-bub, and felt HORRIBLE for the kid, and immediately came to the Bunker and made a visceral, emotionally charged post, where I indeed suspected might be another case of a player just running along and dropping with a cardiac event, (as I've already said in another post). Someone then provided more information saying that he'd taken somewhat of a direct shot to the chest, (while others were saying that it wasn't really that hard of a hit).

Bottom line, none of that changes what you did instigating a petty, mis-timed piss and flame war that took focus away from someone who almost lost their life.

 

[au4life_rz]

We have gotten to the point that even damage caused by Covid is due to the vaccine.

Damage caused by Covid is due to the vaccine, and damage caused by the vaccine is due to Covid. It's been done both ways. Be fair and balanced.

In your opinion, has there been any "damage" caused by the vaccine?

 

[au4life_rz]

Scientists arguing over credit is nothing new. Clearly he spent 30+ years in the field and is one of the key people behind the vaccine research that led to the mRNA vaccine.

I don't think you can simply dismiss this kind of expertise - and I suspect very few people did until he did the unthinkable and questioned whether it was ready to go out.

He's clearly an expert in the field and there is zero reason to accuse him of disinformation. He may have a different opinion, but that's kind of what science is about - exploring various pathways to a result. Science is NOT about government mandates, or ostracizing people with views that you don't like.

Sadly, the man was attacked, canceled, kicked off of social media, (in an Orwelian attempt to censor him and shut down the balanced and reasonable concerns he was sharing). A doctor in Hawaii even allegedly reported him to the Maryland board in an attempt to get his medical license pulled....all because Dr. Malone's highly qualified opinion didn't jibe with the weaseley doctor's view on Covid vaccines.

California supposedly have doctors sponsoring legislation to get doctors prosecuted if they spread "misinformation", (i.e. they have an different opinion). What has this world come to??? Galileo and other true difference makers would INDEED be tarred, feathered, canceled and/or killed in this crazy environment.

Sadly it's not just Dr. Malone. So many scientists, doctors and researchers had their entire careers and lives destroyed. Then, when the true science done in other countries like Israel was PROVEN to be true, (against all odds), the establishment just brushed it off and keep moving alone. How sad and risky for humanity to operate like that.

 

[au4life_rz]

No, claiming you're the inventor of mRNA vaccines despite that clearly not being the case is not normal or acceptable.


You're more than welcome to buy what he's selling, but the vast majority of scientists in his field and related fields do not.

Except for the fact that he lied about inventing mRNA vaccines.


No, science is a method for trying to understand the world. One thing that immediately makes one lose credibility in the scientific community is lying. And he lied, whether you want to accept that or not.

What is the definition of collusion. In your opinion, has it EVER occurred in mankind's history??? Has it ever occurred on a broad/significant scale??? I rest my case your honor.

 

[au4life_rz]

I'd like to know when the time is appropriate to start asking questions.

"The key to wisdom is this - constant and frequent questioning, for by doubting we are led to question, by questioning we arrive at the truth"

To those pushing the Covid agenda, there will NEVER be an appropriate time to ask fair, balanced and intelligent questions. Every...,single.....,bit of speech that does not align 100% with the established agenda, is labeled misinformation, and will lead to cancellation, ruining of a career, and possibly in the future, even prosecution if the establishment has their way. It's SO super sad.

 

[AUsome Lady]

Thread drift is real, but in this thread the running argument seems particularly inappropriate.

 

[au4life_rz]

Here's another question to consider.... why aren't any experts in international sports leagues in agreement with you?

FIFA is not aware of any increase in the number of footballers having cardiac arrests while on the pitch. World soccer’s governing body also said it has not seen any cases attributed to individuals receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.​

​

Reuters presented these claims to FIFA, which said: “FIFA is not aware of a rise in episodes of cardiac arrests as indicated in your email and no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a COVID vaccine.​

​

“Generally speaking, FIFA is in regular contact with leading research centres and experts to do research on a variety of medical topics.”​

​

Fact Check-FIFA unaware of rise in players having cardiac arrests on football pitches and such incidents not flagged as being linked to COVID-19 vaccines

FIFA is not aware of any increase in the number of footballers having cardiac arrests while on the pitch. World soccer’s governing body also said it has not seen any cases attributed to individuals receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

www.reuters.com

Here's a more recent analysis by Cardiologist Christopher Lagos:

Some claim that the risk of vaccination in young men is a controversy that deserves debate. But it isn’t a controversy. It’s a hoax. A controversy is a point where reasonable people disagree. A hoax is just simply untrue. And it is untrue that young men are dying as a result of getting vaccinated.​

Young athletes dying from vaccines? That's a hoax.

This article was originally posted in the Montreal Gazette. Stop me if you’ve heard this one before. There’s this idea out there that young men, especially athletes, have been dying after getting vaccinated. The idea has been bouncing around the internet for more than a year and seems to have...

www.mcgill.ca

And that same establishment including the CDC, all of the same doctors, scientists and researchers pushing the Covid agenda told us that no one who took the vaccine would get Covid.

They said you could go out and mix, mingle and be "as close as two spoons in a drawer" if you were vaccinated, because we were guaranteed to reach herd immunity. Thank God that real world data and real science done by those who were unafraid, led to the truth coming out. But here you are still counting on suppression of any opposing data that goes against the narrative. "Show me the proof", knowing full well most will not surface anything that reflects negatively on the vaccines.

 

[Little_General]

Pericarditis

I personally know two, young individuals that had significant cardiac issues within days of the 2nd vaccine. I've had a cardiologist speculate directly to me that he thought the time length between dose 1 and dose 2 was way too brief and this could be a major factor. I just don't understand why some get so upset when these incidents are questioned.

You’re conflating issues.

 

[Little_General]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sji.13242

“Two hundred seventy-nine athletes and former athletes in the United States have died from cardiac arrests after taking COVID-19 vaccines, according to data from a recent peer-reviewed study.”

Unfortunately it’s behind a pay wall. That said without specifics that none of us have we can’t be sure of individual cases like the one Monday night. Calling people names is never healthy dialogue.

Unfortunately, it was authored by known bullshit vendor Peter McCollough.

 

[Little_General]

And that same establishment including the CDC, all of the same doctors, scientists and researchers pushing the Covid agenda told us that no one who took the vaccine would get Covid.

They said you could go out and mix, mingle and be "as close as two spoons in a drawer" if you were vaccinated, because we were guaranteed to reach herd immunity. Thank God that real world data and real science done by those who were unafraid, led to the truth coming out. But here you are still counting on suppression of any opposing data that goes against the narrative. "Show me the proof", knowing full well most will not surface anything that reflects negatively on the vaccines.

What an absurd and childish argument.

 

[Little_General]

I've never tried to "weasel" out of anything, and in this case, there is nothing to weasel out of. Unfortunately, you, DM8 and others take the cake when it comes to be verified weasels and out and out liars. Just look how you guys are exaggerating. You can't provide a single post where I said anything about an "evil vaccine", and the post you quoted certainly didn't contain that quote either.

I was given incorrect information by my daughter, (who doesn't really know about sports), saying a player had just dropped on the field and they were doing CPR. I turned the game back on and saw the hub-bub, and felt HORRIBLE for the kid, and immediately came to the Bunker and made a visceral, emotionally charged post, where I indeed suspected might be another case of a player just running along and dropping with a cardiac event, (as I've already said in another post). Someone then provided more information saying that he'd taken somewhat of a direct shot to the chest, (while others were saying that it wasn't really that hard of a hit).

Bottom line, none of that changes what you did instigating a petty, mis-timed piss and flame war that took focus away from someone who almost lost their life.

Bottom line: you came into a thread about a young man collapsing on the field due to a blow to the chest, completely ignorant to what had unfolded, and stirred the pot about young athletes “suddenly dropping dead”. You should apologize for your ignorant mistake.

 

[Mule96]

Thread drift is real, but in this thread the running argument seems particularly inappropriate.

When will be appropriate? After another lost life? Just asking.

 

[Little_General]

When will be appropriate? After another lost life? Just asking.

You lot pushing your blatantly false narrative (with zero evidentiary support whatsoever) will never be appropriate.

 

[Stumpfan]

Damage caused by Covid is due to the vaccine, and damage caused by the vaccine is due to Covid. It's been done both ways. Be fair and balanced.

In your opinion, has there been any "damage" caused by the vaccine?

Of course. It’s a Fvcking vaccine. No vaccine has ever been without adverse effects for some people. Jesus, man.

 

[au4life_rz]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sji.13242

“Two hundred seventy-nine athletes and former athletes in the United States have died from cardiac arrests after taking COVID-19 vaccines, according to data from a recent peer-reviewed study.”

Unfortunately it’s behind a pay wall. That said without specifics that none of us have we can’t be sure of individual cases like the one Monday night. Calling people names is never healthy dialogue.

Eventually, you guys will see a pattern. No amount of "sources" or information will be good enough. It'll always be disqualified or otherwise be dismissed. Even if SOLID evidence and proof come out, some of that crew will NEVER accept reality and truth.

 

[Scuff]

Unfortunately, it was authored by known bullshit vendor Peter McCollough.

So, here's the standard playbook in action.

Attack the messenger, not the message. I don't know who McCollough is, but if you're going to argue, address his information (assuming you can). Anyone can just claim the messenger is bad. You've been doing that most of this thread.

 

[Little_General]

Eventually, you guys will see a pattern. No amount of "sources" or information will be good enough. It'll always be disqualified or otherwise be dismissed. Even if SOLID evidence and proof come out, some of that crew will NEVER accept reality and truth.

It’s almost as if there’s no good evidence for your narrative at all or something. Such a vast conspiracy.