People that are vaccinated still catching COVID afterward
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its not nonsense - this is fact - ivermectin works as well as any of these vaccines with zero known long term effects. I’ll trust a drug with decades of proof of safety versus a brand new experimental vaccine with 2 months of history in the market. Ivermectin is fda approved - these vaccines are not - only for emergency use. I’m not saying don’t take it - do what you want - but people ought to be fully informed of their options and not bullied, guilted or forced into taking it.
It's taking a different route to do the same ****ing thing every other vaccine does - gets your immune system to recognize something bad that doesn't belong so that when the real, active thing comes, your immune system will attack it. Stop listening to quacks.
Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Are Not ‘Gene Therapy,’ As Some Are Claiming
Here are the differences between the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines and gene therapy.
www.forbes.com
Also, on ivermectin, stop overselling it. Not even the maker of the drug, Merck - who has every incentive to push it given that their vaccine efforts didn't pan out - says this drug works for COVID.
WHO joins Europe, Merck in recommending against ivermectin for COVID-19
The World Health Organization (WHO) on Wednesday recommended against using generic anti-parasite drug ivermectin in patients with COVID-19 except for clinical trials, because of a lack of data demonstrating its benefits.
www.reuters.com
Considering ivermectin is generic now I’m not surprised they would be pushing other thingsIt's taking a different route to do the same ****ing thing every other vaccine does - gets your immune system to recognize something bad that doesn't belong so that when the real, active thing comes, your immune system will attack it. Stop listening to quacks.
Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Are Not ‘Gene Therapy,’ As Some Are Claiming
Here are the differences between the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines and gene therapy.
Also, on ivermectin, stop overselling it. Not even the maker of the drug, Merck - who has every incentive to push it given that their vaccine efforts didn't pan out - says this drug works for COVID.
WHO joins Europe, Merck in recommending against ivermectin for COVID-19
The World Health Organization (WHO) on Wednesday recommended against using generic anti-parasite drug ivermectin in patients with COVID-19 except for clinical trials, because of a lack of data demonstrating its benefits.
Studies support its effectiveness:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
If/when that day comes, I’ll look into it. My job could decide to require it one day to travel. I’ll get the vaccine as opposed to not traveling, but I’m not looking to get it to simply not contract Covid. And if all the folks who want it go get it, they don’t have to worry about me anyway. What I won’t do is be pressured into it by a bunch of busybodies...
I have not had the vaccine and continue to be healthy as a horse despite major damage inflicted on my body during my 20’s and early 30’s
What's your point? Smallpox vaccine killed 52 out of a million. Sure is better than 300k out of a million Smallpox Killed
Pfizer us about to be approved. It’s nonsense that you think it doesn’t stop infection. It does.
It actually stops 90%+ from GETTING COVID and it’s also very unlikely the ones that get it transmits it. Try to catch up on the studies.
How sick are you? Is it an annoying quarantine or one where you’re legitimately not feeling well?
As more data and more recent studies (as I linked to) came out, it turns out that initial hope was overblown at best.
But also, your logic doesn't hold. Merck has no incentive to push other things because they don't have any other things to offer in fighting COVID. Their vaccine failed in the trial phase and was abandoned. And like a lot of other drug companies do when a patent on a drug runs out, they themselves produce the generic version - which Merck does with ivermectin. So they every incentive to talk up ivermectin as a COVID treatment. But they are saying it's not been shown effective.
Post less.
It’s destroying the variants. All of them. The study that came out today had it 100% vs the South African variant in a real world study (800) people in SA.
There’s definitely been a few different schools of thought here. Some seem to think this is nuts and the vaccine is perfect. Others see this as yes this is normal, vaccine is supposed to limit how bad you feel
And the truth is this vaccine is 90% plus FROM EVEN GETTING THE VIRUS. It’s also very unlikely the 10% that get it transmits it to somebody else.
Such a weird and random virus with so called experts constantly getting egged in the face - no reason to think the vaccine would be any different
Except we are way into studies now on the vaccines. These aren’t guesses. They are actual real world studies with people that have been in trials for 6-9 months.
It’s been a weird illness. I’ll have a day or two feeling fine, to the next absolutely miserable.
The first few days were pretty bad. My symptoms started last Thursday, but I didn’t get tested until Friday. I thought it was just a bad reaction to my first shot. Overall: The worst headaches I’ve ever had. I also have/had fever, chills, cough, and was even throwing up last week. Wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy.
At least the last pour I had before this sickness was some EHT Four Grain.
This is the only comment ITT that's noteworthy.
This really isn't a "both sides" thing here. One side has observable fact, rigorous double blind trial and real world data, and an understanding of what words mean when discussing efficacy. The other side is repeating unsupported horseshit and treating it like medical knowledge.
It’s almost as if ramming a vaccine through trials and performing hardly any verification at all for a virus that is about as effective as the flu might be a bad thing...
No, the current COVID vaccines are not a bad thing at all. They're the only, literally only, thing that's going to end this pandemic.
That's not what happened. At all. In terms of how long typical vaccine trials take, none of the steps in these COVID vaccine trials were skipped. Because of the pandemic some trial phases were permitted to overlap. But also, while typical clinical trials take many years, it's mostly about the cost of each step and the investment needed - not for medical or safety reasons. Because there are no guarantees and no protections from huge financial loss from a vaccine not being efficacious, the time and money for each phase is not invested until the prior phase is complete and has demonstrated the desired safety and efficacy. Here's where some credit is due the Trump Administration. For all the legitimate criticism they deserve for overall handling of the pandemic here, the removal or lessening of financial risk for the vaccine makers, as well as massive government and private investment, allowed them to proceed to the next phase of each trial quicker than normal.
With COVID, we not only had significant removal of risk, but huge private and government investment that has enabled planning for all phases of clinical trials to take place at the beginning, allowing the next phase of the clininal trials to proceed quickly - as soon as the data from the previous phase supports it without worrying about the money. Thus vaccine development has happened at a rate much faster than previous ones - but without compromising any of the usual processes required to be certain about their safety or effectiveness.
And FWIW, this same process has resulted in other COVID vaccine candidates being abandoned. Merck had two COVID vaccines going through the trial phases and found that the data didn't show immune responses that were any better than natural infection or the other vaccines out there from Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and so on. Merck has since offered to help J&J manufacture their vaccine to help increase production.
That doesn't even get into the fact that the work on mRNA vaccines has been going on for decades. All that work was able to be applied to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. This wasn't a process that started from scratch within the last year.
Finally, the trials involved around 70,000 people (Pfizer and Moderna combined) in a double blind trial. And we now have added to it real world data with millions of people worldwide that we're observing. The notion that we barely tested it or didn't verify things is just complete nonsense and I don't get why people keep repeating it.
What's funny is as a new person to this thread starting on page 4 I can't decide which sides you mean
I got the vaccine because I work in Senior Care and not overly opinionated on the subject but man some people are.
You are incorrect - again - even the WHO’s data supports a significant decrease in symptoms and fatalities from its use. You should post less - but go ahead take your experimental vaccine - maybe you won’t die from it one day when unforeseen reactions occur from future viruses.
It’s an FDA approved drug - it had not been approved specifically for this off label use - but the drug itself is FDA approved
Wow at the last line. You really think this vaccine could kill you due to reactions to future viruses? That may be the dumbest thing you have said yet.
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At this point I’m not even trying to convince him anymore. I’m just responding so he doesn’t lead other people down his path of fanciful bullshit.
There are studies which suggest that yes it could. It causes a hyperimmoresponse to future covid type viruses and lung damage.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idUSKBN2BL2R3
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