Whenever you have a little time to kill

[gatorz1209]

Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19: a systematic review - PMC

Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) has shown efficacy against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in some but not all studies. We hypothesized that a systematic review would show HCQ to be effective against COVID-19, more effective when provided earlier, not ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This substantiates what Dr. Peter McCullough states in the video. When treated early, hydroxychloroquine works. What the CDC did was evaluate it being applied late when people were on a ventilator or about to be put on a ventilator. So that was the basis for them rescinding the EUA.

That’s funny, all of these other doctors and their peer reviewed studies show your hero’s beliefs to be incorrect:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2779044

 

[TBFan]

That’s funny, all of these other doctors and their peer reviewed studies show your hero’s beliefs to be incorrect:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2779044

Selective study.

This trial included participants if they were 18 years or older; reported less than 8 days since onset of flulike symptoms or chest computerized tomography scan consistent with COVID-19. Eligibility for participation also required at least one additional criterion for high risk: aged 50 years or older; presence of pulmonary disease, specifically moderate or severe persistent asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, pulmonary hypertension, or emphysema; diabetes requiring oral medication or insulin; hypertension requiring treatment; known cardiovascular diseases (congestive heart failure of any etiology, documented coronary artery disease, clinically manifest miscellaneous heart disease); symptomatic lung disease on chronic treatment; history of transplantation; obesity (body mass index ≥30 [calculated as weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared]); immunocompromised status due to disease (eg, those living with HIV with a CD4 T-cell count of <200 cells/mm3, confirmed malignant neoplasm); immunocompromised status due to medication (eg, people taking 10 mg or more of prednisone equivalents a day); and patients with cancer.

 

[gatorz1209]

Selective study.

This trial included participants if they were 18 years or older; reported less than 8 days since onset of flulike symptoms or chest computerized tomography scan consistent with COVID-19. Eligibility for participation also required at least one additional criterion for high risk: aged 50 years or older; presence of pulmonary disease, specifically moderate or severe persistent asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, pulmonary hypertension, or emphysema; diabetes requiring oral medication or insulin; hypertension requiring treatment; known cardiovascular diseases (congestive heart failure of any etiology, documented coronary artery disease, clinically manifest miscellaneous heart disease); symptomatic lung disease on chronic treatment; history of transplantation; obesity (body mass index ≥30 [calculated as weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared]); immunocompromised status due to disease (eg, those living with HIV with a CD4 T-cell count of <200 cells/mm3, confirmed malignant neoplasm); immunocompromised status due to medication (eg, people taking 10 mg or more of prednisone equivalents a day); and patients with cancer.

So they performed this study on people with health issues that typically are linked to Covid hospitalization and deaths? Aren’t those the people we’re trying to keep out of the hospital because they’re most susceptible? Lol would you prefer they performed this study on completely healthy individuals who have an extremely low chance of hospitalization anyways?😂

 

[TBFan]

So they performed this study on people with health issues that typically are linked to Covid hospitalization and deaths? Aren’t those the people we’re trying to keep out of the hospital because they’re most susceptible? Lol would you prefer they performed this study on completely healthy individuals who have an extremely low chance of hospitalization anyways?😂

Number 1, we don't now how many people got treated on day 4, 5 , 6 or 7 which would not be considered "early" as the study suggests in its title.

Secondly, people with risk factors should probably consider getting the vaccine, which most on here have advocated.

The issue is that the vaccines are being promoted on the entire population when it isn't necessary to stem the advance of COVID deaths.

 

[DM8]

The left is positioning themselves as the party of big pharma, govt control, and pro excess corporate profits and expressly anti blue collar worker at a time with record recent graduate unemployment, record low levels of wealth in recent graduates and a dramatic decrease in young adults deciding to go to college.

Democrats just keep hitching their wagons to the trillionare pharma and corporate ceos and telling people they aren’t allowed to question their over lords….and we get to see what happens next.

Welcome to the next realignment folks!

Look at this deranged imbecile accusing Mr H and every other doctor in our country of being part of a vast conspiracy to deceive the public to drive profits for the pharmaceutical industry. This clown loves to pretend he's some sort of rational thinker, but he frequently slips up by pushing this sort of insane conspiracy theory.

 

[au4life_rz]

It’s not on topic. Stop trying to derail the thread. Also where did I say it was the “vaccine or nothing?” Or are you projecting again?

After two years of this most desperate of pandemics, how many treatment options, techniques and tools do we have? Of course, we have the new vaccines that only target the spike protein alone, primarily using mRNA technology to facilitate production of the spike protein.

What other options for treatment do the majority of doctors and/or AMA et. al. recommend? I can't wait to see the list.

 

[DM8]

You peddle BS and deal almost exclusively in pure manipulation. While we appreciate a single doctor's opinion, you fail to be consistent in your assessments. Please answer EACH question

• Does his being a doctor make his opinions automatic fact, or are they still anecdotal, (which is your favorite way to dismiss opinions that you don't agree with). While appreciated, qualified and valuable, are his opinions still anecdotal?
• I may have missed it, but where specifically in this thread has Doc given us specific information as to why the new vaccines are "extremely safe and effective".
  • The new mRNA vaccines are effective in reducing severe hospitalizations and death, but that's not what we were promised initially.
    • They have failed to come close to providing sterilizing immunity, herd immunity, keeping us from contracting COVID, maintaining significant viral load allowing the virus to mutate in fully vaccinated folks, and spreading COVID to others
    • We have yet to determine whether they represent a Pyrrhic victory where we are evoking a strong narrow, local and specific immunological response, at the expense of better overall, general protection against the entire family of variants etc.
    • I understand that given your ability to analyze, you really are TRYING to do a good thing using a "by any means necessary" approach to blindly promote the vaccines, but history may NOT look kindly on the final results regarding the management of this pandemic using mass psychosis, delusion, deception, lying, bullying and Orwellian censorship
• Why is it that when other "eminently qualified doctors" provide dissenting opinions that go against the established narrative, do you not take the same tact, and promote their every opinion as FACT?

I'll hang up and listen and see if you'll engage in normal, productive conversation.

Are you implying that you feel it's typical that VAERS incidents are over-reported, (i.e. saying that a case you know about was reported over 20 times)???

1. Do you feel some doctors who feel that the new vaccines are providing overall benefit/good, might under report incidents?
2. Do you feel that overall that associated incidents are over-reported, or under-reported, (i.e. in your opinion).

I've had multiple doctors from around the country tell me some version of "Well, if we tried to vet everything, and waited for things to be perfect, we'd never get anywhere, and we'd lose lives in the SHORT TERM". I think that we dang well ought to have some bright and objective minds working on the long term scenario to make sure that what we're doing is ultimately a win for mankind, as opposed to a long term and overall LOSS.

Good lourde, the leader of the anti-vax death cult was busy hammering out his screeds last night.

 

[au4life_rz]

Holy fvcking shit, did you read this link you posted here?😂


June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19. As a result, we determined that the legal criteria for the EUA are no longer met.

😂😂😂

I took it that he was giving proof of how crazy the leading agencies overreact to pretty much any and every treatment for COVID....., except the new vaccines.

I said very early on that it appeared that they only wanted a single option for treatment, and here we are two years later, with pretty much only a single treatment tool for what has been labeled as one of the greatest threats in mankind's history. Does that serve as a smoke signal for anyone?

 

[DM8]

The issue is that the vaccines are being promoted on the entire population when it isn't necessary to stem the advance of COVID deaths.

Do you realize how foolish you look pushing this nutty lie page after page when we have a real doctor ITT that has repeatedly told you why you are completely wrong?

 

[au4life_rz]

Good lourde, the leader of the anti-vax death cult was busy hammering out his screeds last night.

I double-dog dare you to respond to one of the actual arguments, with a cogent rebuttal, (instead of a silly meme that you HOPE will distract folks from the topic of discussion). We see you.

 

[DM8]

Holy fvcking shit, did you read this link you posted here?😂


June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19. As a result, we determined that the legal criteria for the EUA are no longer met.

😂😂😂

Congrats to @TBFan for proving the trumpkin wonder drug HCQ was a sham. The rest of us don't need to do anything ITT as the loons will inadvertently wreck their own nutty arguments.

 

[gatorz1209]

After two years of this most desperate of pandemics, how many treatment options, techniques and tools do we have? Of course, we have the new vaccines that only target the spike protein alone, primarily using mRNA technology to facilitate production of the spike protein.

What other options for treatment do the majority of doctors and/or AMA et. al. recommend? I can't wait to see the list.

I’m not responding to anything you have until you address your theory that the delta wave was planned. Stop crab walking around it.

 

[DM8]

I’m not responding to anything you have until you address your theory that the delta wave was planned. Stop crab walking around it.

He can't address it. When presented with it now, he has enough sense to know he looks like a deranged imbecile for claiming the delta wave was part of some sort of conspiracy. He tries very hard to couch all of his idiotic views in more reasonable terms and stop himself from saying the craziest parts out loud. His problem is that when he gets whipped into a frenzy in these threads, he starts admitting the really insane shit he believes. Watching him desperately try to pretend he never said the things you quoted is priceless.

 

[stutsman23]

I’m not responding to anything you have until you address your theory that the delta wave was planned. Stop crab walking around it.

#CheckMateMicDrop

 

[gatorz1209]

Number 1, we don't now how many people got treated on day 4, 5 , 6 or 7 which would not be considered "early" as the study suggests in its title.

Secondly, people with risk factors should probably consider getting the vaccine, which most on here have advocated.

The issue is that the vaccines are being promoted on the entire population when it isn't necessary to stem the advance of COVID deaths.

Why is the vaccine unnecessary, but a drug that has not been widely proven successful to fight covid is necessary?

 

[TBFan]

Congrats to @TBFan for proving the trumpkin wonder drug HCQ was a sham. The rest of us don't need to do anything ITT as the loons will inadvertently wreck their own nutty arguments.

Big fail. Try again.

 

[00aubie]

After two years of this most desperate of pandemics, how many treatment options, techniques and tools do we have? Of course, we have the new vaccines that only target the spike protein alone, primarily using mRNA technology to facilitate production of the spike protein.

What other options for treatment do the majority of doctors and/or AMA et. al. recommend? I can't wait to see the list.

Just shut the fvck up. You’re a vaccinated janitor, not a doctor.

 

[au4life_rz]

I don't have an issue with what "they" are trying to get people to do. I think vaccination is 100% the best route. I have an issue with the way "they" are trying to do it. Force feeding Americans never goes well. Well over 1/2 the country does not trust the government.

Given that we'd had the best and brightest minds in the world working on this for two years now, what other options have we come up with for treatment, besides the new vaccines?

Have you seen the list of other options that are currently in use, (besides the new vaccines)? I've asked this question to several people, and none have answered it thus far, (especially @Stumpfan and @DM8).

 

[TBFan]

Why is the vaccine unnecessary, but a drug that has not been widely proven successful to fight covid is necessary?

Who said the vaccine was unnecessary?

And why do you continue to ignore hundreds of studies (4,000 according to Dr. McCollough) that show hydroxychloroquine effective at treating COVID?

 

[gatorz1209]

Big fail. Try again.

Well this rebuttal did wonders for your argument.

 

[DM8]

Why is the vaccine unnecessary, but a drug that has not been widely proven successful to fight covid is necessary?

BECAUSE DR TRUMP SAID HCQ IS A MIRACLE CURE!

 

[gatorz1209]

Who said the vaccine was unnecessary?

And why do you continue to ignore hundreds of studies (4,000 according to Dr. McCollough) that show hydroxychloroquine effective at treating COVID?

Again, are those peer reviewed studies? If so, please provide evidence.

 

[00aubie]

I’m not responding to anything you have until you address your theory that the delta wave was planned. Stop crab walking around it.

Odds that this POS leaves 4,000 word yelp reviews of every restaurant he dines in... -800.

 

[au4life_rz]

I’m not responding to anything you have until you address your theory that the delta wave was planned. Stop crab walking around it.

My man, you NEVER contribute anything to these conversations, so I don't expect you to do anything but deflect. That said, I've never offered a "theory" or argument to establish that the Delta wave was planned. You have nothing but that singular post to link, and again, it's a convenient COP-OUT that everyone is able to see you using over and over again.

If you had just a modicum of honesty and objectivity, it would be telling that two years into this thing, we only have a SINGLE treatment option, while everything else is summarily dismissed, shot down and attacked viscously. You ever ask yourself WHY this is the case?

 

[DM8]

Who said the vaccine was unnecessary?

And why do you continue to ignore hundreds of studies (4,000 according to Dr. McCollough) that show hydroxychloroquine effective at treating COVID?

Can you tell us why every bunker doc has said HCQ proved to be ineffective and that's why hospitals discontinued all the trials they were using it in? Are they intentionally killing their patients by not providing a life saving miracle cure because they didn't want Trump to get credit for promoting HCQ?

 

[TBFan]

Again, are those peer reviewed studies? If so, please provide evidence.

Ask Dr, McCullough. I believe he is far more qualified than you are to address the subject.

 

[DM8]

My man, you NEVER contribute anything to these conversations, so I don't expect you to do anything but deflect. That said, I've never offered a "theory" or argument to establish that the Delta wave was planned. You have nothing but that singular post to link, and again, it's a convenient COP-OUT that everyone is able to see you using over and over again.

If you had just a modicum of honesty and objectivity, it would be telling that two years into this thing, we only have a SINGLE treatment option, while everything else is summarily dismissed, shot down and attacked viscously. You ever ask yourself WHY this is the case?

 

[au4life_rz]

He can't address it. When presented with it now, he has enough sense to know he looks like a deranged imbecile for claiming the delta wave was part of some sort of conspiracy. He tries very hard to couch all of his idiotic views in more reasonable terms and stop himself from saying the craziest parts out loud. His problem is that when he gets whipped into a frenzy in these threads, he starts admitting the really insane shit he believes. Watching him desperately try to pretend he never said the things you quoted is priceless.

I'm VERY intentional in what I say, and when I drop tidbits, or allude to something, it's NOT by accident. Of course, you aren't ever likely to be able to follow the breadcrumbs, but we stand a reasonable chance of revisiting this post in the future.

 

[DM8]

Ask Dr, McCullough. I believe he is far more qualified than you are to address the subject.

Why would we ask some random doctor no one has ever interacted with on this board when every single doctor who posts here has confirmed that HCQ doesn't work? Mr. H said his hospital participated in trials of HCQ in the summer of 2020 and it showed zero benefit which is why they stopped using it along with hospitals across the country.

 

[stutsman23]

I'm VERY intentional in what I say, and when I drop tidbits, or allude to something, it's NOT by accident. Of course, you aren't ever likely to be able to follow the breadcrumbs, but we stand a reasonable chance of revisiting this post in the future.

We're asking you to defend yore ridiculous "tidbits and breadcrumbs" about delta being planned. Why are you unable/unwilling to do so?

 

[DM8]

I'm VERY intentional in what I say, and when I drop tidbits, or allude to something, it's NOT by accident. Of course, you aren't ever likely to be able to follow the breadcrumbs, but we stand a reasonable chance of revisiting this post in the future.

This is some wild conspiracy nut rhetoric. So happy to see Au4life admit that he knows his insane beliefs are too crazy to articulate in their entirety so he has to drop "tidbits" and "breadcrumbs" like some sort of deranged, tin foil hat wearing nut hiding in his basement from the 5G waves and contrails. This is exactly how Q and other conspiracy leaders operate. They offer little bits of their theories at a time in hopes that something will prove accurate. They know if they gave all the details at once, it would prove to be a complete crock of shit and even their nuttiest followers would abandon them.

 

[00aubie]

Ask Dr, McCullough. I believe he is far more qualified than you are to address the subject.

You are a walking logical fallacy... desperately clinging to anything that will reinforce your bullshit narrative.

What do you get out of this nonsense? Apparently, that's a question that you can't even answer for yourself.

 

[au4life_rz]

Just shut the fvck up. You’re a vaccinated janitor, not a doctor.

Focus on the argument, and if you can't refute it, stop and consider if it may be valid. I've offered multiple things, well ahead of time that your "experts" said would never happen. Well guess what? In several cases I happened to be proven correct by folks who put their entire careers on the line to do REAL SCIENCE.

You and your ilk poked fun and posted the "Look honey, I've found something on the Internet that all the world's top doctors and scientists missed", but again, I was proven correct. Attack the argument, not the person, and if you can't refute it.....

 

[TBFan]

You are a walking logical fallacy... desperately clinging to anything that will reinforce your bullshit narrative.

What do you get out of this nonsense? Apparently, that's a question that you can't even answer for yourself.

And you are a denier of science, data, and studies that refute your vaccine bias.

 

[au4life_rz]

Again, are those peer reviewed studies? If so, please provide evidence.

You've got to have qualified doctors and scientists who are willing to go against the established narrative and risk being canceled to actually volunteer to peer review a study, in order for it to be "peer reviewed".

That's one of the major dangers of mass psychosis and massive bullying leading to conformity. There have been several incidents where respected scientists, doctors and researchers who went against the narrative said their long time friends called and told them to "lose my number, and don't call me for any more peer reviews" etc.

I could publish a study that the sky is blue, and if everyone refuses to peer review it, you could then use it as "evidence" that the sky really isn't blue.

 

[00aubie]

Focus on the argument, and if you can't refute it, stop and consider if it may be valid. I've offered multiple things, well ahead of time that your "experts" said would never happen. Well guess what? In several cases I happened to be proven correct by folks who put their entire careers on the line to do REAL SCIENCE.

You and your ilk poked fun and posted the "Look honey, I've found something on the Internet that all the world's top doctors and scientists missed", but again, I was proven correct. Attack the argument, not the person, and if you can't refute it.....

Those "experts" were certainly credible enough for you to be vaccinated. Hell, you were probably first in line to get yore booster as well.

Lol... proven correct? You've been an abject embarrassment from day one, troll.

 

[00aubie]

And you are a denier of science, data, and studies that refute your vaccine bias.

Lol... my vaccine bias.

What a fvcking rube.

 

[au4life_rz]

Why would we ask some random doctor no one has ever interacted with on this board when every single doctor who posts here has confirmed that HCQ doesn't work? Mr. H said his hospital participated in trials of HCQ in the summer of 2020 and it showed zero benefit which is why they stopped using it along with hospitals across the country.

Dr. McCullough was one of the most published doctors in the country. He was very high up at Baylor school of medicine before he was summarily canceled for asking why the leading authorities were suppressing early treatment options for COVID.

 

[au4life_rz]

We're asking you to defend yore ridiculous "tidbits and breadcrumbs" about delta being planned. Why are you unable/unwilling to do so?

That one sentence excerpted out of context from the thread, has NOTHING, but nothing to do with what we were discussing. Are you guys grown men, or teenagers. Either way, it's CLEAR that you CANNOT refute the opinions and arguments, so you go off deflecting on insignificant distractions that have nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

I'm unwilling to go off discussing an irrelevant, complete non-sequitur that takes us away from the topic at hand.

 

[00aubie]

That one sentence excerpted out of context from the thread, has NOTHING, but nothing to do with what we were discussing. Are you guys grown men, or teenagers. Either way, it's CLEAR that you CANNOT refute the opinions and arguments, so you go off deflecting on insignificant distractions that have nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

I'm unwilling to go off discussing an irrelevant, complete non-sequitur that takes us away from the topic at hand.

Coward.