Whenever you have a little time to kill

[au4life_rz]

Takes a lot of words for @au4life_rz to avoid owning up to his dumbass claim that delta was planned.

I've discussed that comment with gator boy numerous times, and even before that, he understood what was going on when I initially made it. Anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension can go back to that thread and see what's being said. It needs no explanation.

I've made over a thousand posts on the topic, so it's telling that you silly idiots in Stomp's crew always grab that and roll it out when it's time to deflect or tuck tail and run. He and DM8 made a claim that they couldn't back up, so they posted those comments to deflect. Looks like it worked with you.

 

[stutsman23]

I've discussed that comment with gator boy numerous times, and even before that, he understood what was going on when I initially made it. Anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension can go back to that thread and see what's being said. It needs no explanation.

I've made over a thousand posts on the topic, so it's telling that you silly idiots in Stomp's crew always grab that and roll it out when it's time to deflect and run and tuck tail. He and DM8 made a claim that they couldn't back up, so they posted those comments to deflect. Looks like it worked with you.

Typical response. If someone calls you out, they just don't understand or "miss the obvious point" or just aren't an intellectual wizard like yoreself. You couldn't be more full of shit if you tried.

 

[au4life_rz]

False. You said it was going to be a huge problem and insinuated they would spread it like unvaccinated people. It wasn’t even close. Delta was planned! Lol

Here's the link to an article that originally said that it was basically impossible for a fully vaccinated person to get COVID, maintain a significant viral load, or spread it to others. They and most others have completely deleted the BS they were posting and dispute what you're saying. I TOLD you over and over that those articles and comments were likely BS at the time, but you and your lackeys made tons of jokes, and said that you'd listen to the scientists, doctors and other "experts". Where did that get you???

Just admit that you were wrong. You called me out on 4 or 5 things, and science has subsequently proven you to be DEAD WRONG, yet you still won't admit it. You said the Israeli study was trashed, and pointed out that all of our scientists laughed at it and dismissed it. This just proves how those aligned with the narrative will put out hit jobs and immediately shout down anyone who goes against the narrative. Against all odds, some truth has been making it to the surface.

New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

While new data show that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads of SARS-CoV-2, vaccines still prevent the worst outcomes from COVID-19.

publichealth.jhu.edu

 

[TBFan]

We are now hearing reports that the COVID vaccines can actually weaken your immune system, and make one more susceptible to future infection. This is one of the claims Dr. Malone has made. Many on hear would say that that is just nutty, conspiracy, right-wing talking points, although I have no idea how discussing the efficacy of covid vaccines is right or left wing.

So do you want actually data?

Dr, Malone has pointed out that he is not just making this data up. He has pulled this from a variety of reputable sources, one of them the NIH: National Library of Medicine (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/).

I quote:

"The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID-19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus."

Results of the study:
"COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials."

Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications:
The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.

There are many such studies which are widely available, but don't seem to get the press that Fauci gets.

Bringing up these concerns should not be attacked, ridiculed, and dismissed. They should be discussed openly and with full transparency. It is the fact that they aren't which is of the greatest concern to many of us.

 

[au4life_rz]

Typical response. If someone calls you out, they just don't understand or "miss the obvious point" or just aren't an intellectual wizard like yoreself. You couldn't be more full of shit if you tried.

Please don't put those false words in my mouth. It's weak.

Go back and read the thread and you'll shut up. It's a Res Ipsa Loquitur, and it needs no commentary. If I'm remotely full of ish, please go back and take any of the two cents of opinion, or the arguments I've offered, and counter a single one. I've made MANY, so it shouldn't be too hard right??? There's a reason you only roll in with the 🤣 emoji, but never actually contribute to the discussion, or offer a rebuttal.

 

[stutsman23]

Please don't put those false words in my mouth. It's weak.

Go back and read the thread and you'll shut up. It's a Res Ipsa Loquitur, and it needs no commentary. If I'm remotely full of ish, please go back and take any of the two cents of opinion, or the arguments I've offered, and counter a single one. I've made MANY, so it shouldn't be too hard right??? There's a reason you only roll in with the 🤣 emoji, but never actually contribute to the discussion, or offer a rebuttal.

I laugh because yore a clown

 

[au4life_rz]

I laugh because yore a clown

But have I, or have I not pointed out several major things that I said were likely errors or intentional lies by the "experts", that you all laughed about, but that subsequently have been proven to be true by scientists in other countries, (and in some cases, our scientists were FORCED to admit that they were wrong, or they just lied and such as saying that the vaccines were NEVER meant to provide sterilizing immunity or allow us to reach herd immunity etc.).

If you were even remotely honest, you'd admit when someone you are debating, and spend lots of time trying to ridicule, actually turn out to be right. You, @Stumpfan , @DM8, @gatorz1209 and the others have selected some despicable tactics and are getting angrier, and angrier each time you're proven wrong. I only care that the TRUTH is served, and that we get through to the other side of this thing saving as many lives as possible, and going about it in the right way, (with truth and real science being served).

 

[stutsman23]

But have I, or have I not pointed out several major things that I said were likely errors or intentional lies by the "experts", that you all laughed about, but that subsequently have been proven to be true by scientists in other countries, (and in some cases, our scientists were FORCED to admit that they were wrong, or they just lied and such as saying that the vaccines were NEVER meant to provide sterilizing immunity or allow us to reach herd immunity etc.).

If you were even remotely honest, you'd admit when someone you are debating, and spend lots of time trying to ridicule, actually turn out to be right. You, @Stumpfan , @DM8, @gatorz1209 and the others have selected some despicable tactics and are getting angrier, and angrier each time you're proven wrong. I only care that the TRUTH is served, and that we get through to the other side of this thing saving as many lives as possible, and going about it in the right way, (with truth and real science being served).

I think a lot of people are full of shit on both sides. You just happen to be one of the most full of shit. HTH

 

[DM8]

TBfan---read Robert Kennedy's book

 

[DM8]

If you notice, I predicted in the post that both of you would NOT be able to link posts that I've made to back up your false claims. You both are cowards who are looking stupid. You made a claim that you clearly couldn't back up, and are now acting like little kids desperate to find an excuse to not answer.

If you had anything at all, (let alone a link to an actual post that I made condemning myself), both of you would sprain fingers coming out here to post them in an attempt to embarrass me, but again, you don't have anything. Nada. Zilch, to back up your claim. That is why you deflected by posting that same Delta that you pull out whenever it's time to tuck your tail and run. It's a complete cop-out. Stop the foolishness, and try to refute an actual point, opinion or argument, or sit out these debates.

I've discussed that comment with gator boy numerous times, and even before that, he understood what was going on when I initially made it. Anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension can go back to that thread and see what's being said. It needs no explanation.

I've made over a thousand posts on the topic, so it's telling that you silly idiots in Stomp's crew always grab that and roll it out when it's time to deflect and run and tuck tail. He and DM8 made a claim that they couldn't back up, so they posted those comments to deflect. Looks like it worked with you.

Here's the link to an article that originally said that it was basically impossible for a fully vaccinated person to get COVID, maintain a significant viral load, or spread it to others. They and most others have completely deleted the BS they were posting and dispute what you're saying. I TOLD you over and over that those articles and comments were likely BS at the time, but you and your lackeys made tons of jokes, and said that you'd listen to the scientists, doctors and other "experts". Where did that get you???

Just admit that you were wrong. You called me out on 4 or 5 things, and science has subsequently proven you to be DEAD WRONG, yet you still won't admit it. You said the Israeli study was trashed, and pointed out that all of our scientists laughed at it and dismissed it. This just proves how those aligned with the narrative will put out hit jobs and immediately shout down anyone who goes against the narrative. Against all odds, some truth has been making it to the surface.

New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

While new data show that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads of SARS-CoV-2, vaccines still prevent the worst outcomes from COVID-19.

publichealth.jhu.edu

But have I, or have I not pointed out several major things that I said were likely errors or intentional lies by the "experts", that you all laughed about, but that subsequently have been proven to be true by scientists in other countries, (and in some cases, our scientists were FORCED to admit that they were wrong, or they just lied and such as saying that the vaccines were NEVER meant to provide sterilizing immunity or allow us to reach herd immunity etc.).

If you were even remotely honest, you'd admit when someone you are debating, and spend lots of time trying to ridicule, actually turn out to be right. You, @Stumpfan , @DM8, @gatorz1209 and the others have selected some despicable tactics and are getting angrier, and angrier each time you're proven wrong. I only care that the TRUTH is served, and that we get through to the other side of this thing saving as many lives as possible, and going about it in the right way, (with truth and real science being served).

 

[Stumpfan]

Here's the link to an article that originally said that it was basically impossible for a fully vaccinated person to get COVID, maintain a significant viral load, or spread it to others. They and most others have completely deleted the BS they were posting and dispute what you're saying. I TOLD you over and over that those articles and comments were likely BS at the time, but you and your lackeys made tons of jokes, and said that you'd listen to the scientists, doctors and other "experts". Where did that get you???

Just admit that you were wrong. You called me out on 4 or 5 things, and science has subsequently proven you to be DEAD WRONG, yet you still won't admit it. You said the Israeli study was trashed, and pointed out that all of our scientists laughed at it and dismissed it. This just proves how those aligned with the narrative will put out hit jobs and immediately shout down anyone who goes against the narrative. Against all odds, some truth has been making it to the surface.

New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

While new data show that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads of SARS-CoV-2, vaccines still prevent the worst outcomes from COVID-19.

publichealth.jhu.edu

No, you insinuated they were a bigger problem spreading it vs unvaccinated. It wasn’t close. Delta was planned! Lol

 

[Stumpfan]

We are now hearing reports that the COVID vaccines can actually weaken your immune system, and make one more susceptible to future infection. This is one of the claims Dr. Malone has made. Many on hear would say that that is just nutty, conspiracy, right-wing talking points, although I have no idea how discussing the efficacy of covid vaccines is right or left wing.

So do you want actually data?

Dr, Malone has pointed out that he is not just making this data up. He has pulled this from a variety of reputable sources, one of them the NIH: National Library of Medicine (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/).

I quote:

"The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID-19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus."

Results of the study:
"COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials."

Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications:
The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.

There are many such studies which are widely available, but don't seem to get the press that Fauci gets.

Bringing up these concerns should not be attacked, ridiculed, and dismissed. They should be discussed openly and with full transparency. It is the fact that they aren't which is of the greatest concern to many of us.

Lol. You’re still talking about ADE? Holy hell.

 

[DM8]

We are now hearing reports that the COVID vaccines can actually weaken your immune system

Classic anti-vaxxer conspiracy nut tactic here. It doesn't get any kookier than starting out a 10 paragraph rambling diatribe with "We are now hearing..." Meanwhile, what "WE" are actually hearing on this board are first-hand accounts from doctors like Mr. H and @stevesawbone who say the vaccines are extremely safe and incredibly effective at preventing serious illness and death. @TBFan and @au4life_rz are so belligerently ignorant and delusional, they actually think their opinions formed google searching and reading karen anti-vaxxer facebook groups puts their expertise on this stuff on par with doctors who spent a decade in school and have devoted their lives to helping sick people.

 

[TBFan]

Classic anti-vaxxer conspiracy nut tactic here. It doesn't get any kookier than starting out a 10 paragraph rambling diatribe with "We are now hearing..." Meanwhile, what "WE" are actually hearing on this board are first-hand accounts from doctors like Mr. H and @stevesawbone who say the vaccines are extremely safe and incredibly effective at preventing serious illness and death. @TBFan and @au4life_rz are so belligerently ignorant and delusional, they actually think their opinions formed google searching and reading facebook groups puts their expertise on this stuff on par with doctors who spent a decade in school and have devoted their lives to helping sick people.

And yet what we are hearing from many doctors and researchers is that people who have been vaccinated are getting very sick from COVID, as was mentioned in the study above on the NIH website that I guess you just want to ignore.

This is personal for me as both my sons have been fully vaccinated. And as I mentioned elsewhere, about 3 weeks ago my youngest awoke on the floor of his apartment after having passed out. He was shocked to discover he had been passed out for 2 days and had no idea what had happened. He went to the emergency room and he tested positive for COVID and was severely dehydrated. They pumped him full of fluids. He could have died.

The increase of these types of stories is alarming. So are we just now beginning to see long-term effects of the vaccines? We shall see.

 

[DM8]

And yet what we are hearing from many doctors and researchers is that people who have been vaccinated are getting very sick from COVID, as was mentioned in the study above on the NIH website that I guess you just want to ignore.

This is personal for me as both my sons have been fully vaccinated. And as I mentioned elsewhere, about 3 weeks ago my youngest awoke on the floor of his apartment after having passed out. He was shocked to discover he had been passed out for 2 days and had no idea what had happened. He went to the emergency room and he tested positive for COVID and was severely dehydrated. They pumped him full of fluids. He could have died.

The increase of these types of stories is alarming. So are we just now begiing to see long-term effects of the vaccines? We shall see.

No, we are not. Only quack antivaxxers like Dr. Malone are saying the COVID vaccine is dangerous and ineffective. Real doctors like Mr. H are telling us its extremely safe and effective. He's seen it first hand as almost every person in his hospital who is seriously ill or has died was unvaccinated.

You have been spreading nutty lies about the vaccines for the better part of a year. Do you really expect us to believe out of the hundreds of millions who have been vaccinated with zero side effects, your son just happened to have a delayed adverse reaction which caused him to pass out and remain unconscious for 2 days? Suddenly passing out for 2 days is not a side effect of the vaccine. It's also not remotely similar to how the symptoms present when you have COVID so if that actually happened to your son, something else is wrong with him and I certainly hope the doctors figure it out.

 

[Stumpfan]

No, we are not. Only quack antivaxxers like Dr. Malone are saying the COVID vaccine is dangerous and ineffective. Real doctors like Mr. H are telling us its extremely safe and effective. He's seen it first hand as almost every person in his hospital who is seriously ill or has died was unvaccinated.

You have been spreading nutty lies about the vaccines for the better part of a year. Do you really expect us to believe out of the hundreds of millions who have been vaccinated with zero side effects, your son just happened to have a delayed adverse reaction which caused him to pass out and remain unconscious for 2 days? Suddenly passing out for 2 days is not a side effect of the vaccine. It's also not remotely similar to how the symptoms present when you have COVID so if that actually happened to your son, something else is wrong with him and I certainly hope the doctors figure it out.

Simply amazing stuff from the top anti-vaxxer on this board.

 

[DM8]

Simply amazing stuff from the top anti-vaxxer on this board.

2 of the board's most ardent anti-vaxxers who have been spreading lies about the vaccines being deadly for a year just happened to have close family members who are among the minuscule fraction of the hundreds of millions who have been vaccinated to have a serious adverse reaction. What an incredible coincidence.

 

[Stumpfan]

2 of the board's most ardent anti-vaxxers who have been spreading lies about the vaccines being deadly for a year just happened to have close family members who are among the minuscule fraction of the hundreds of millions who have been vaccinated to have a serious adverse reaction. What an incredible coincidence.

I’ve noticed that too. The one just told us way less believable as the other one though.

 

[DM8]

I’ve noticed that too. The one just told us way less believable as the other one though.

Correct. The prior story was either true or constructed in such a way that it sounded plausible. Claiming someone randomly passed out and remained unconscious for days due to a delayed adverse reaction to the vaccine is dumb even by the standards of our boards cult of wacko anti-vaxxers.

 

[mrhickory]

My brother in law had vax--next day was going into shock--heart racing, couldn't talk, shaking
He made it to emergency room and they checked for heart attack but said he was ok
would not say it was due to vaccine but it was obvious--that was the only change in his life style

I don't think any doctor is going to say patient has reaction to vaccine--they are too scared of peer criticism

I know our physicians have no issue with relating complications that we suspect to the vaccine. We are encouraged to report any suspected reactions/complications to our administration that is tracking these numbers. In fact, every hospital system that I know of are tracking this as well.

 

[au4life_rz]

I think a lot of people are full of shit on both sides. You just happen to be one of the most full of shit. HTH

Except, you can NEVER offer a rebuttal to back up the claim that I'm full of it. I mean, if I'm chock full of stuffing as you imply, it ought to be easy to rebuff me, right?

You're a petty hater. Hurling insults, but not EVER providing a single shred to back it up.

 

[gatorz1209]

If you notice, I predicted in the post that both of you would NOT be able to link posts that I've made to back up your false claims. You both are cowards who are looking stupid. You made a claim that you clearly couldn't back up, and are now acting like little kids desperate to find an excuse to not answer.

If you had anything at all, (let alone a link to an actual post that I made condemning myself), both of you would sprain fingers coming out here to post them in an attempt to embarrass me, but again, you don't have anything. Nada. Zilch, to back up your claim. That is why you deflected by posting that same Delta that you pull out whenever it's time to tuck your tail and run. It's a complete cop-out. Stop the foolishness, and try to refute an actual point, opinion or argument, or sit out these debates.

What claims have I made that were false? Here’s the thread where you insinuated the delta surge was, as you put it, “planned”. #oof It should directly take you to the post for convenience.

In case you decide to delete the post and claim it never happened, here’s the screenshot, too:

Also lol at you, the one who gets up in a tizzy about name calling, actually name calling. I thought you were above that and only here to present FAIR and BALANCED information😂

 

[au4life_rz]

No, you insinuated they were a bigger problem spreading it vs unvaccinated. It wasn’t close. Delta was planned! Lol

That's not true. I can link the thread if you'd like. I can also link you continuing to say it was false. Actually, you're doing it in the thread that your lackey linked. You were just proven to be DEAD WRONG 4 or 5 times, which is pretty much par for the course for you and your crew of low-Q B-boys.

 

[DM8]

What claims have I made that were false? Here’s the thread where you insinuated the delta surge was, as you put it, “planned”. #oof It should directly take you to the post for convenience.

In case you decide to delete the post and claim it never happened, here’s the screenshot, too:

Also lol at you, the one who gets up in a tizzy about name calling, actually name calling. I thought you were above that and only here to present FAIR and BALANCED information😂

Gatorz got the receipts! This covidiot anti-vaxxer loon can't crawl away from that one.

 

[00aubie]

But have I, or have I not pointed out several major things that I said were likely errors or intentional lies by the "experts", that you all laughed about, but that subsequently have been proven to be true by scientists in other countries, (and in some cases, our scientists were FORCED to admit that they were wrong, or they just lied and such as saying that the vaccines were NEVER meant to provide sterilizing immunity or allow us to reach herd immunity etc.).

If you were even remotely honest, you'd admit when someone you are debating, and spend lots of time trying to ridicule, actually turn out to be right. You, @Stumpfan , @DM8, @gatorz1209 and the others have selected some despicable tactics and are getting angrier, and angrier each time you're proven wrong. I only care that the TRUTH is served, and that we get through to the other side of this thing saving as many lives as possible, and going about it in the right way, (with truth and real science being served).

Tell us, great defender of truth... have you mentioned that you're vaccinated anywhere in these last 11 pages?

My guess is no.

 

[au4life_rz]

What claims have I made that were false? Here’s the thread where you insinuated the delta surge was, as you put it, “planned”. #oof It should directly take you to the post for convenience.

In case you decide to delete the post and claim it never happened, here’s the screenshot, too:



Also lol at you, the one who gets up in a tizzy about name calling, actually name calling. I thought you were above that and only here to present FAIR and BALANCED information😂

A meme with Jerry Lewis in a boxing ring. You repeatedly linking a single post, (and I hope folks do go back and read the thread). Why is it that every time you're destroyed in debate, you can only come back with a non-sequitur and link that single post??? It's way played out and quite telling that you, Stomp and DM8 continue to turn the thread into a circus while dancing around a single post out of the 1000+ I've made on the topic.

I said you'd not be able to provide other posts to back up any of the claims you and your boss have made, and that none of you would respond to the challenge to go find a few posts, (even 3 or 4), to back up your claims. None of you have responded to the actual item of debate. You've only comeback with foolishness. If we were in a formal debate, the judges would PIMP slap you for your ridiculous off-topic responses meant to deflect from the real topics of discussion.

 

[DM8]

A meme with Jerry Lewis in a boxing ring. You repeatedly linking a single post, (and I hope folks do go back and read the thread). Why is it that every time you're destroyed in debate, you can only come back with a non-sequitur and link that single post??? It's way played out and quite telling that you, Stomp and DM8 continue to turn the thread into a circus while dancing around a single post out of the 1000+ I've made on the topic.

I said you'd not be able to provide other posts to back up any of the claims you and your boss have made, and that none of you would respond to the challenge to go find a few posts, (even 3 or 4), to back up your claims. None of you have responded to the actual item of debate. You've only comeback with foolishness. If we were in a formal debate, the judges would PIMP slap you for your ridiculous off-topic responses meant to deflect from the real topics of discussion.

But have I, or have I not pointed out several major things that I said were likely errors or intentional lies by the "experts", that you all laughed about, but that subsequently have been proven to be true by scientists in other countries, (and in some cases, our scientists were FORCED to admit that they were wrong, or they just lied and such as saying that the vaccines were NEVER meant to provide sterilizing immunity or allow us to reach herd immunity etc.).

If you were even remotely honest, you'd admit when someone you are debating, and spend lots of time trying to ridicule, actually turn out to be right. You, @Stumpfan , @DM8, @gatorz1209 and the others have selected some despicable tactics and are getting angrier, and angrier each time you're proven wrong. I only care that the TRUTH is served, and that we get through to the other side of this thing saving as many lives as possible, and going about it in the right way, (with truth and real science being served).

But have I, or have I not pointed out several major things that I said were likely errors or intentional lies by the "experts", that you all laughed about, but that subsequently have been proven to be true by scientists in other countries, (and in some cases, our scientists were FORCED to admit that they were wrong, or they just lied and such as saying that the vaccines were NEVER meant to provide sterilizing immunity or allow us to reach herd immunity etc.).

If you were even remotely honest, you'd admit when someone you are debating, and spend lots of time trying to ridicule, actually turn out to be right. You, @Stumpfan , @DM8, @gatorz1209 and the others have selected some despicable tactics and are getting angrier, and angrier each time you're proven wrong. I only care that the TRUTH is served, and that we get through to the other side of this thing saving as many lives as possible, and going about it in the right way, (with truth and real science being served).

Here's the link to an article that originally said that it was basically impossible for a fully vaccinated person to get COVID, maintain a significant viral load, or spread it to others. They and most others have completely deleted the BS they were posting and dispute what you're saying. I TOLD you over and over that those articles and comments were likely BS at the time, but you and your lackeys made tons of jokes, and said that you'd listen to the scientists, doctors and other "experts". Where did that get you???

Just admit that you were wrong. You called me out on 4 or 5 things, and science has subsequently proven you to be DEAD WRONG, yet you still won't admit it. You said the Israeli study was trashed, and pointed out that all of our scientists laughed at it and dismissed it. This just proves how those aligned with the narrative will put out hit jobs and immediately shout down anyone who goes against the narrative. Against all odds, some truth has been making it to the surface.

New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

While new data show that vaccinated people can carry high viral loads of SARS-CoV-2, vaccines still prevent the worst outcomes from COVID-19.

publichealth.jhu.edu

 

[gatorz1209]

A meme with Jerry Lewis in a boxing ring. You repeatedly linking a single post, (and I hope folks do go back and read the thread). Why is it that every time you're destroyed in debate, you can only come back with a non-sequitur and link that single post??? It's way played out and quite telling that you, Stomp and DM8 continue to turn the thread into a circus while dancing around a single post out of the 1000+ I've made on the topic.

I said you'd not be able to provide other posts to back up any of the claims you and your boss have made, and that none of you would respond to the challenge to go find a few posts, (even 3 or 4), to back up your claims. None of you have responded to the actual item of debate. You've only comeback with foolishness. If we were in a formal debate, the judges would PIMP slap you for your ridiculous off-topic responses meant to deflect from the real topics of discussion.

What fvcking Jerry Lewis meme are you talking about? I think you may be confused.

You’ve claimed you aren’t a conspiracy theorist, yet we’ve provided you with evidence, and now you want more evidence or else it’s simply not true 😂 If this were a trial, I’d present one screenshot, and the judge would PIMP slap you guilty.

Seriously, who questions whether a covid surge is planned, other than a conspiracy theorist? I assume you think the moon landing was staged and birds aren’t real, too?

 

[au4life_rz]

2 of the board's most ardent anti-vaxxers who have been spreading lies about the vaccines being deadly for a year just happened to have close family members who are among the minuscule fraction of the hundreds of millions who have been vaccinated to have a serious adverse reaction. What an incredible coincidence.

You are lying. I've made over a 1000 posts, and while you can trick mental light-weights like @Tiger Jams, those who have actually been participating in the debates know how frequently you and Stomp have been clearly proven to be DEAD WRONG, but actual science.

Go find even 3 or 4 posts where I said the vaccines are "deadly". Just like all the other times, I anticipate you to come back with more lies and circus posts, but ZERO proof to back up your claim. You are embarrassing. If you don't like my two cents of opinion, then engage in actual debate and show where they are flawed. The fact that you rarely ever do this says it all.

 

[Stumpfan]

That's not true. I can link the thread if you'd like. I can also link you continuing to say it was false. Actually, you're doing it in the thread that your lackey linked. You were just proven to be DEAD WRONG 4 or 5 times, which is pretty much par for the course for you and your crew of low-Q B-boys.

Derp. You insinuated over and over that the huge problem would be the vaccinated spreading it. You were wrong. Variants change things. Vaccines wane.

Delta was planned! (Au4life)

Lol

 

[Stumpfan]

You are lying. I've made over a 1000 posts, and while you can trick mental light-weights like @Tiger Jams, those who have actually been participating in the debates know how frequently you and Stomp have been clearly proven to be DEAD WRONG, but actual science.

Go find even 3 or 4 posts where I said the vaccines are "deadly". Just like all the other times, I anticipate you to come back with more lies and circus posts, but ZERO proof to back up your claim. You are embarrassing. If you don't like my two cents of opinion, then engage in actual debate and show where they are flawed. The fact that you rarely ever do this says it all.

Lol. He wasn’t talking about you.

 

[au4life_rz]

Tell us, great defender of truth... have you mentioned that you're vaccinated anywhere in these last 11 pages?

My guess is no.

00aubie, what you guys are doing is truly sad. It's ridiculous and makes it impossible to have meaningful discussions. It's only more deflection.

We'll be discussing a topic, and as soon as something is thrown out that you 4 or 5 guys can't refute, you start calling names, building strawmen calling folks "anti-vaxxers" or otherwise inserting the price of tea in China. You should all do better. Silly meme's, lies and deflecting is a horrible way to go about it. Then, even worse, when you're CLEARLY proven to be wrong, (by actual science), over time, you still won't admit to it.

Tell me. What does my vaccination status have to do with the price of tea in China. What does it have to do with me advocating for truth and providing some of the important information that is being suppressed and hidden?

 

[au4life_rz]

What fvcking Jerry Lewis meme are you talking about? I think you may be confused.

You’ve claimed you aren’t a conspiracy theorist, yet we’ve provided you with evidence, and now you want more evidence or else it’s simply not true 😂 If this were a trial, I’d present one screenshot, and the judge would PIMP slap you guilty.

Seriously, who questions whether a covid surge is planned, other than a conspiracy theorist? I assume you think the moon landing was staged and birds aren’t real, too?

Very weak strawman responses, still deflecting with the Delta post distraction. If I thought the moon landing wasn't real, I would put out the most cogent argument that I could, actually laying out my case. I wouldn't talk about something my "opponents" mother did when she was 18, nor would I bring in the price of tea in China. Stick to the freaking topic of debate, or just sit it out if you can't offer a solid rebuttal. We were NOT discussing the genesis of the Delta surge.

 

[au4life_rz]

Derp. You insinuated over and over that the huge problem would be the vaccinated spreading it. You were wrong. Variants change things. Vaccines wane.

Delta was planned! (Au4life)

Lol

I tried to tell you that we might end up in a constant cycle of boosting, and you SWORE that wouldn't happen. I also tried to tell you all MANY times that the new vaccines might not provide the protection you thought they would, but you tripled and quadrupled down that they were 90.x% effective, and said there was NO CHANCE that fully vaccinated would ever spread COVID, and it would be VERY rare that they would contract it. You were simply wrong.

Again, I said over and over that we knew very little about this weird pathogen, and that variants could change things, but you mimicked your favorite "experts" tweets, and said I was crazy, that the new vaccines would provide GREAT "long lasting protection", and that they would work well against variants. Some even cited this as a reason we should use the mRNA platform instead of developing a third option based on the traditional vaccine technology that I'd been advocating.

You simply wouldn't listen, and you ended up looking like a complete joke. Now, you have the nerve to say "variants change things", and that "vaccines wane". Vaccines that provide sterilizing immunity, or any reasonable degree of protection do not want in 3-6 months. Hopefully, we can crack the nut and tweak them, or come up with others, (such as a traditional vaccine), that will, but again, you were DEAD WRONG yet again.

 

[Stumpfan]

I tried to tell you that we might end up in a constant cycle of boosting, and you SWORE that wouldn't happen. I also tried to tell you all MANY times that the new vaccines might not provide the protection you thought they would, but you tripled and quadrupled down that they were 90.x% effective, and said there was NO CHANCE that fully vaccinated would ever spread COVID, and it would be VERY rare that they would contract it. You were simply wrong.

Again, I said over and over that we knew very little about this weird pathogen, and that variants could change things, but you mimicked your favorite "experts" tweets, and said I was crazy, that the new vaccines would provide GREAT "long lasting protection", and that they would work well against variants. Some even cited this as a reason we should use the mRNA platform instead of developing a third option based on the traditional vaccine technology that I'd been advocating.

You simply wouldn't listen, and you ended up looking like a complete joke. Now, you have the nerve to say "variants change things", and that "vaccines wane". Vaccines that provide sterilizing immunity, or any reasonable degree of protection do not want in 3-6 months. Hopefully, we can crack the nut and tweak them, or come up with others, (such as a traditional vaccine), that will, but again, you were DEAD WRONG yet again.

Nope. I already stated what you said including delta was planned! Lol

 

[TBFan]

No, we are not. Only quack antivaxxers like Dr. Malone are saying the COVID vaccine is dangerous and ineffective. Real doctors like Mr. H are telling us its extremely safe and effective. He's seen it first hand as almost every person in his hospital who is seriously ill or has died was unvaccinated.

You have been spreading nutty lies about the vaccines for the better part of a year. Do you really expect us to believe out of the hundreds of millions who have been vaccinated with zero side effects, your son just happened to have a delayed adverse reaction which caused him to pass out and remain unconscious for 2 days? Suddenly passing out for 2 days is not a side effect of the vaccine. It's also not remotely similar to how the symptoms present when you have COVID so if that actually happened to your son, something else is wrong with him and I certainly hope the doctors figure it out.

Well, if you want to ignore actual people who have gotten really sick from COVID after having been vaccinated, then that's up to you. You can deny and obfuscate all you want. Time to block another one. See you.

 

[SH0RTS]

 

[Stumpfan]

Well, if you want to ignore actual people who have gotten really sick from COVID after having been vaccinated, then that's up to you. You can deny and obfuscate all you want. Time to block another one. See you.

He’s owning you. I don’t blame you for blocking him. The avg age of somebody dying of Covid while vaccinated is 81 years old.

 

[SH0RTS]

 

[TBFan]

2 of the board's most ardent anti-vaxxers who have been spreading lies about the vaccines being deadly for a year just happened to have close family members who are among the minuscule fraction of the hundreds of millions who have been vaccinated to have a serious adverse reaction. What an incredible coincidence.

My son did not have an adverse reaction to the vaccine. He was vaccinated over a year ago. Yet, 3 weeks ago he contracted covid and then passed out for 2 days. This could be a case of ADE, where the immune system is weakened to other forms of covid which make people sicker with covid. If you had read the study on the NIH website that I posted above, perhaps you would understand the issue better.