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Washington St. fired due to refusing to get
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Been told another in state's school message board was worried about Tua and the language barrier when he arrived in t-town...
It is one thing to argue about Rolo and Wazzu's decision but some people ITT need to take a break from COVID for their own mental health.
We aren't debating whether the FDA has approved it or not. We're talking about whether something so new should be mandated when it's still essentially experimental. Are we still administering it under and EUA??? Case closed.
We also aren't debating whether the risks from getting the vaccine outweigh the risks of getting Covid. What folks like you don't understand is that you can't POSSIBLY make an honest assessment on that without having ample data from across the full-lifecycle of the vaccine, (at least, not scientifically). Anyone guaranteeing definitively that it is 100% safe, and that potential issues, tweaks, and tuning of mRNA technology won't be required, is a liar and a con artist who is essentially saying that they know the future. Just tell the danged truth.
We are simply debating whether a rational, truly intelligent species would mandate something so new, and try to get everyone on the planet to take it all at once. That's not smart or based on sound rationale, unless you're rolling the dice because a disease is so virulent it is pretty much sure to wipe out the entire species.
It’s approved and therefore not experimental, psycho anti-vaxxer. No reason to read the rest of your jibberish after that line. Lol
I'm not talking about a technical definition. I'm talking about using common sense. If a doctor/scientist went into a lab today, and created a new vaccine, and the FDA issued an approval the next day, in your mind, it wouldn't be somewhat "experimental" just because an agency changed the status to "approved" on a piece of paper??? Wow, that tells us a lot. But in order to shut you up, let's label it a "new" drug.
Intelligent people would understand that the terms "experimental", "new", "seasoned" or "mature" et. al. are all based on how much usage data from a broad population in the general public. It typically takes 12-15 years to get a new drug out, and that provides a lot more data across the FULL-LIFECYCLE than we have for the new/novel vaccines. The new vaccines appear to be extremely safe in the immediate short-term. Everyone who wants to take them should do so, but it should be up to each individual. If you want to FORCE it, then develop another vaccine based on the old, tried and true vaccine technology. The fact that they REFUSE to do so speaks volumes.
Look, I wish it were different, and while you, I and the next guy might decide that our risk/reward ratio is such that we want to take it, another person may not, and you simply can't/shouldn't MANDATE that they take a new drug. Bottom line, did we, and are we still administering it under an Experimental Usage Authorization (EUA)???? #micDrop
Also, it's quite clear to any reasonable person that I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I've told you probably 20 times since this thing started that me and my entire family have taken pretty much everything out there.
In addition, I haven't told a single person that they shouldn't take the new vaccines, neither have I really attacked them. However, I will provide important information that they are trying to suppress, and counter the biased stupidity, lies and propaganda that is being put out there.
Hahahahaha!!!! Yea, who cares about the fda when we have your version of common sense. It’s great that usually your posts have such ludicrous statements in the first 2 sentences that there’s no reason to read the rest of the jibberish. Lol
Lol. You’re definitive an anti-vaxxer. Again, keep with the lunacy in sentence one or two. It’s great.
If you two want to keep this up, there is a thing called a conversation up in the top right of the screen. It looks like a square message bubble from the comics we read as kids. You will never agree with each other so just fvcking stop. You aren't even attempting to be respectful towards each other. I love a good argument as much as the next guy, but I try to keep them civil. Even when I disagreed with someone, maybe it was @hsvtgr, I led with I would probably like to have a beer with him. That's a good start, find common ground, AU football, compare how you think Bo has progressed, talk about Gus' new grandkid, whatever, but stop this bickering. You are both better than this. I get it that you it is easy to lose perspective when you are in the middle of something, so just take a step back please. I think I'd enjoy a beer and a talk about AU Football or whatever non covid related with both of you, together even, but this needs to end. @au4life_rz
I sincerely hope everyone has a great Wednesday, it is beautiful in Nashville and I hope it is the same wherever you are. Be well.
Covid vaccines aren’t working like that because I’m a flaming liberal? Stick to sister fvcking and Bible thumping. That’s much more your speed.
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You just had to, didn't you. This thread will now never end. 😉
As an aside, it really doesn’t take much to write an article these days, does it? All you need is a tweet from Pete Thamel, a few other random tweets and a couple of sentences to join them all.
What a time to be alive.
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Sounds like the lawsuit is arguing that the AD has been looking for a reason to fire him for a while now and the vaccine is just an excuse. I guess it isn’t too surprising they’d have to attack it from slightly off-angle.
The problem is every state employee not abiding by the mandate is getting fired I think.
I meant what I said. I know you, and others like you, will do as they please. In my opinion vaccination is the right choice, and if we had all been vaccinated when it was first made available we would be years ahead of the rest of the World in returning to normalcy. And again, yes I would exile your ass to some Fourth World piece of land in the middle of nowhere.
You haven't been paying attention if you are implying that I operate at the same level of Stomp and his acolytes, (@DM8, @AUBK, @00aubie..., and @SigBitty is really in the group too).
They are used to doing that crazy, silly partisan crap where they LOCK UP on an extreme side in full delusion and hurl insults at each other all day. I'm not above occasionally throwing out a zinger, but I try my best to engage them and conduct intelligent discourse, (but it's absolutely no use if someone else decides to to ardently operate at a lower level).
My two cents are primarily information for others, not necessarily to change Stomp's mind. The first few times I presented he and DM8 with absolutely clear, irrefutable facts that they were wrong about something, and they just moved the goalposts, lied and deflected to another topic, I knew it was hopeless. Those who don't want to discus COVID, don't have to participate in these arduous threads.
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Whenever you talk about someone else operating in full delusion, I just get a big ole smile on my face.
Unfortunately, that's what we were promised, but it's not necessarily true. We simply don't know enough about the pathogen yet, (which is why I offered my two cents of warning that we might not ever be able to attain herd immunity, very early on). Unless you have a vaccine that can obtain sterilizing immunity, or something close to that, you very well might not be able to achieve herd immunity like we did for Polio, Measles et. al. Most of those statements are just propaganda, and false hype intended to encourage more to get vaccinated.
The clencher was when it was proven, (as I'd predicted earlier in the pandemic), that even fully vaccinated persons could maintain a significant viral load, and pass COVID on to others. Therefore, even if everyone in the country had gotten vaccinated, it might still be here as an endemic threat. Let's hope and pray that against considerable odds, we can indeed get to herd immunity and get this thing managed.
If you don’t want me to continue pointing out to everyone that you’re vaccinated as you spread your fear porn… you should probably stop tagging me.
Because I’m going to continue pointing out that you’re vaccinated when I see you do this.
Since you’re vaccinated and all.
Oh yeah, one more thing. If the leading authorities primary and only concern was getting as many as possible vaccinated so that we might reach herd immunity, please help me understand why they wouldn't simply develop a third vaccine option based off of the classic, tried and true technology used to produce the Polio, Measles, Smallpox vaccines???
They should have anticipated that the late adopters, (i.e. those who never guinea-pig new drugs or technology until it's been debugged), would have reservations. However, almost all of that crowd has taken every other vaccine, so if you develop a COVID vaxx based on that technology, they'd take it in a heartbeat and we'd likely be well into the 90%+. It's such an obvious and easy fix, that them not doing it likely speaks volumes about their true agenda.
Well, I guess they just must all be stupid and evil instead of brilliant and good like you. If I were you I would never trust them again, if you ever did.
That picture doesn't in ANY way apply to me. If I'm continually telling you that me and my family have taken pretty much every vaccine out there, why would you try to label me an anti-vaxxer? Because I won't lie and full on cheerlead and deceive folks into taking it??? It would be absolutely GREAT if we could scientifically guarantee that the new vaccines were 99.9% safe across the full life-cycle, but alas, that is NOT the case at all.
Those types of .gifs apply simplistic psychology meant to trick folks into believing that the vaccines are actually 99.9% safe across the entire life-cycle, and kooky idiots are just too crazy to take them. I see right through those types of ruses and will continue to point them out to others.
We can convince people to take vaccines through rationale, logic, and reasoning. There is no need to lie, manipulate, deceive and use marketing tricks. That's wrong.
You are such a pathetic broken record. The J&J vaccine uses the same "technology" as "classic vaccines." Despite that, you continue to lie about it during your countless anti-vax rants.
Meanwhile, the research on MRNA vaccines has been ongoing for 20+ years so it is not some new idea that scientists just came up with on a whim last year. Millions of lives have been saved thanks to the decades of MRNA research which allowed the Pfizer and moderna vaccines to be perfected in record time. Both vaccines are extremely safe and highly effective. All of your lies to the contrary are reckless and embarrassing.
You and the vast majority of anti-vaxxers don't actually care about how the vaccines were developed. 98% of you got all of your vaccines prior to COVID and had no issue with vaccine mandates for schools, the military and a myriad of other jobs. Your crusade to get more people killed by convincing them not to take the COVID vaccine(s) is pathetic. It's even worse given that you got vaccinated, but have decided its your mission in life to convince others not to take advantage of the same protection.
You are really, really wrong. It's factually incorrect, (by a LOOOOONG shot), to say that the J&J vaccine is based off of the same technology as Measles, Polio or Smallpox, (i.e. LAV and/or inactivated vaccine technology). Anyone who doesn't know basic information like this should NOT be allowed to participate in these conversations.
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is different from the two mRNA vaccines, but is based on viral vector, (an adenovirus that has had it's DNA modified to deliver the COVID spike protein). This technology has been around longer than mRNA, but is still relatively new when it comes to massive use in humans. I don't have a problem with the tech, but the expert on the board who I believe is a virologist working for a company that makes FLU vaccines, has concerns.
You are a pitiful liar. When are you finally going to tire of setting yourself up for this kind of embarrassment?
What is the difference between how the Johnson & Johnson vaccine works and how the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work?
The ultimate difference is the way the instructions are delivered. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines use mRNA technology, and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses the more traditional virus-based technology.mRNA is essentially a little piece of code that the vaccine delivers to your cells. The code serves as an instruction manual for your immune system, teaching it to recognize the virus that causes COVID-19 and attack it, should it encounter the real thing.
Instead of using mRNA, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses a disabled adenovirus to deliver the instructions. This adenovirus is in no way related to the coronavirus. It is a completely different virus. Although it can deliver the instructions on how to defeat the coronavirus, it can’t replicate in your body and will not give you a viral infection.
https://www.vcuhealth.org/news/covid-19/johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-how-is-it-different
Again, you clearly demonstrate that you don't even know the most basic things about the vaccine technology. You made an egregious error if you feel thought that the J&J vaccine was using the same technology as Measles, Polio and Smallpox et. al.
Just because the R&D period for the mRNA vaccines has been 20 years, it does NOT mean the technology isn't new. Even the companies that make them refer to them as new/novel technology. It takes an average of 12-15 years for most drugs to make it to market, but guess what??? They are STILL referred to as new drugs based on when their first usage by the public masses start. These new mRNA vaccines didn't follow that 12-15 year process to get a reasonable amount of data across the full life-cycle, so we should definitely tell the truth, and let folks know they are new. We can tell this truth, and still reason with folks and recommend that they take them, (and many will indeed still take them). I've not convinced a single soul that they should NOT take the vaccine, and you definitely know this and still choose to lie because you can't refute the points I'm making.
The simple reason that 98% of folks didn't have any problems with mandates for Measles, Mumps, Polio etc., is because the technology was so well known. We have DECADES of usage data, so we can scientifically pretty much guaranteed that they are safe. If you can't pretty much guarantee safety medically/scientifically, then you can NOT mandate that someone take a new drug since the risks are higher. We absolutely can't scientifically pretty much guarantee the safety of these new/novel mRNA vaccines at this point. It's an inescapable fact.
I posted quotes from a leading infectious disease doctor who explained why the J&J vaccines uses the same technology as the polio, MMR and other previous vaccines. You were proven wrong yet again. Now run along back to your anti-vax facebook group. I am sure the bored Moms on the research team there are cooking up some new bogus nonsense for you to spread.
Not to defend @au4life_rz, but this is incorrect. The J&J vaccine technology is almost as "new" as that used by the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. The J&J vaccine is a viral vector vaccine that uses DNA where the others use RNA but it still sends instructions that cause the host cells to produce the SARS-COV-2 spike protein that then generates an immune response. The first ever vaccines that use the J&J viral vector technology were only approved for the first time back in 2019. I don't think this is meaningful and don't think au4life's objections about new or experimental tech are valid, but for people who do have those concerns, it is actually different technology from the old LAV/IAV type vaccines.
You're posting misinformation. Why isn't this type of information banned from the internet too? We all know why.
There is a HUGE difference between something being "more traditional", and actually being one of the traditional technologies. Now I know that you are INTENTIONALLY lying and trying to deceive folks. Notice that your misinformation did NOT say that the J&J is based on traditional tech, but instead said, "more traditional". These are the types of deception that I'm railing about.
The classical approach to vaccination relies on two categories of vaccines, live-attenuated and killed. These are the most recognizable vaccines that we receive in childhood as protection against diseases such as polio and measles, mumps and rubella (MMR), respectively.
Next-generation vaccine platforms for COVID-19 - Nature Materials
Consensus among experts is that only an effective COVID-19 vaccine will end the pandemic. This Comment focuses on how this pandemic has accelerated the development of vaccine platforms distinct from classical vaccines; these novel platforms may also increase the response time when new viruses...www.nature.com
Notice the excerpt from the respected journal "Nature", agrees 100% with what I've been saying about classical vaccine technology being comprised of LAV and inactivated, (ne killed). Here's another one below
Many traditional vaccines deliver an infectious pathogen or a part of it to our bodies to train our immune system to fight off future exposures to the pathogen.
Viral vector vaccines work differently. They make use of a harmless virus to deliver a piece of genetic code from a pathogen to our cells to mimic an infection. The harmless virus acts as a delivery system, or vector, for the genetic sequence.
COVID-19: How does the Oxford-AstraZeneca viral vector vaccine work?
Viral vector vaccines use a harmless virus to deliver genetic code to our cells, which make a pathogen’s protein, letting the body develop immunity to new infections.www.medicalnewstoday.com
I am going to go with the explanation provided by the leading infectious disease doctor I cited. This explanation is extremely easy for anyone to follow.
What is the difference between how the Johnson & Johnson vaccine works and how the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work?
The ultimate difference is the way the instructions are delivered. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines use mRNA technology, and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses the more traditional virus-based technology.Instead of using mRNA, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses a disabled adenovirus to deliver the instructions. This adenovirus is in no way related to the coronavirus. It is a completely different virus. Although it can deliver the instructions on how to defeat the coronavirus, it can’t replicate in your body and will not give you a viral infection.
All of this hand wringing over "new technology" by the anti-vaxxers is just a nonsensical excuse anyway. If the COVID vaccines were literally identical to the polio vaccine, they'd come up with some other nutty complaint to justify their backward views.
Sorry, but you don't understand what you're reading. As I pointed out in the other post, there is a huge difference between something being "MORE traditional", and actually being a traditional vaccine. They are using subtle differences and playing with words to trick folks. This is actually a case in point, and it tricked you.
The technology used in the J&J is relatively new. It's older than mRNA, but it's still new and has never been used enmasse prior to COVID. The good thing is that we're getting a lot of data on these technologies that we otherwise wouldn't have.
So, I was NOT proven wrong, but unfortunately, you happen to be wrong yet again. You just didn't understand what you were reading.
