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Vax efficacy fading fast

It is. Of our 8 that we had die (all unvaccinated) on Sunday night, average age was 46 including a 31, 34 and 39 year old.
Any thoughts on why it’s getting worse for younger folks and insight into what kinda condition were they in?

If I’m a 38 year old who runs and works out daily and takes vitamins has to fair better than a 38 year old person who is just sedentary or smokes a pack a day right…or does the vaccine completely level the playing field even over those types of conditions?
 
You started out your thread by saying vaccine efficacy was waning. Most spike antibody protein levels of those vaccinated remain notably elevated consistent with plenty of protection (while delta shows that the 95-99% “immunity” wasn’t correct and that the transmissibility of variants were underestimated), the charts above still show they are providing tremendous benefit in keeping vaccinated people out of hospital and our ICU’s.

The booster has been recommended for those immunocompromised (I already received mine).
Boosters are being recommended by the administration for everyone. What does that mean to you?
 
Any thoughts on why it’s getting worse for younger folks and insight into what kinda condition were they in?

If I’m a 38 year old who runs and works out daily and takes vitamins has to fair better than a 38 year old person who is just sedentary or smokes a pack a day right…or does the vaccine completely level the playing field even over those types of conditions?

We are seeing young healthy people come in and die now. 37 yo LEO ripped AF, 28 yo Navy diver, 25 yo naturopathic runner…no rhyme or reason. If the next wave starts taking out the teenagers and kids in high numbers…I’m jumping on board with your CCP bio weapon theory.
 
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It is. Of our 8 that we had die (all unvaccinated) on Sunday night, average age was 46 including a 31, 34 and 39 year old.
Thank you for posing real information. On day 9 of recovery with Vac on board. So grateful for it and sign me up for a booster. This stuff is wicked
 
We are seeing young healthy people come in and die now. 37 yo LEO ripped AF, 28 yo Navy diver, 25 yo naturopathic runner…no rhyme or reason. If the next wave starts taking out the teenagers and kids in high numbers…I’m jumping on board with your CCP bio weapon theory.
We’re they ripped AF and unvaccinated?

Yeah dude….it’s obvious something is off about this virus because it’s not behaving like a natural virus at all anymore.
 
The good news is you don’t even have to believe the evil scientist and government. It’s right there for everyone to see.
People still won’t see it. A guy who graduated HS with my wife was on facebook yesterday saying that all the claims about hospitals being full of COVID patients is a lie. This was only one day after somebody he knows, who graduated a few years ahead of him in HS, collapsed and died in her home from COVID. Another family friend from the same community had a cousin die from the virus last year. Her twin sister died from it recently because the family refused to vaccinate. For some people, this vaccine thing has become like some strange religious belief and they reject even what is right before their eyes. Nothing can be done but to let this run its course.
 
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We are seeing young healthy people come in and die now. 37 yo LEO ripped AF, 28 yo Navy diver, 25 yo naturopathic runner…no rhyme or reason. If the next wave starts taking out the teenagers and kids in high numbers…I’m jumping on board with your CCP bio weapon theory.

"Theory"? Do some people still think this came from a guy eating a bat? That it's just a coincidence that it started from the same city the gd lab working on Coronavirus was in? Lol.
 
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It is. Of our 8 that we had die (all unvaccinated) on Sunday night, average age was 46 including a 31, 34 and 39 year old.
Any truth to waiting longer for the second shot is more beneficial? I read about it and waited 4.5 weeks to get mine. My wife had her first shot 3 weeks ago, I asked her to wait 5 weeks to get her second based on what I read. Most things I read said to wait a minimum of 4 weeks, but not over 6 weeks.

Team Pfizer for us.
 
"Theory"? Do some people still think this came from a guy eating a bat? Lol.
Not a chance in hell it came from a bat. But a virus being played with using GF is different than one purposefully designed to increasingly become more virulent or target different ages as it progresses. I was kinda joking about the bioweapon theory tongue in cheek with a buddy yesterday but it’s basically straight out of a Micheal Crichton book.
 
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Will you be leading another lynch mob to murder the tyrants?
Or will you and your comrades be murdering people in the street and burning businesses to the ground because you hate this country and everything it stands for?
 
It is. Of our 8 that we had die (all unvaccinated) on Sunday night, average age was 46 including a 31, 34 and 39 year old.
You’re wasting your time explaining this to these simpletons. I guess at this point, we will have to just let nature take its course. And, when its over, the IQ level of our society will have increased. These folks have made their choice and decided stupidity is the way to go. They have planted their flag in the ground. I just wish they had some pride and honor, and stayed home to fight the virus, instead of tucking their tails between their legs and running to the hospital once they get scared.
 
I’m more pissed off that football season is going to be affected, that I’m going to miss Saints games, concerts are being cancelled and that I’m working 16 hour days in an overrun hospital with unvaccinated COVID patients. I know I’m just being selfish but damn…compassion fatigue is real.
Don’t worry Doc. Once Molnupiravir gets an EUA in October, everything will change.
 
At this point the people saying vaccines don't work are using the same bad math as the people that say stars don't matter

 
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I just wish they had some pride and honor, and stayed home to fight the virus, instead of tucking their tails between their legs and running to the hospital once they get scared.
All of a sudden, their YouTube videos and hillbilly expertise is tossed aside as they run to Fauci and his nationwide gang of snake poison peddlers to fix them.
 
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Would it not make sense that it operates a bit like the flu shot where you get it annually because the strains change from year to year? I guess I'm not seeing what the issue is here.
 
You’re wasting your time explaining this to these simpletons. I guess at this point, we will have to just let nature take its course. And, when its over, the IQ level of our society will have increased. These folks have made their choice and decided stupidity is the way to go. They have planted their flag in the ground. I just wish they had some pride and honor, and stayed home to fight the virus, instead of tucking their tails between their legs and running to the hospital once they get scared.
Apparently, the staying home is starting to happen. Like I mentioned previously, I know someone who collapsed and died at home with it this past weekend.
 
We are seeing young healthy people come in and die now. 37 yo LEO ripped AF, 28 yo Navy diver, 25 yo naturopathic runner…no rhyme or reason. If the next wave starts taking out the teenagers and kids in high numbers…I’m jumping on board with your CCP bio weapon theory.

Curious to where your located. I haven't heard of one young healthy person around my parts even being hospitalized with it.

If what you say is true then that's a definite game changer. That's scary AF!
 
Would it not make sense that it operates a bit like the flu shot where you get it annually because the strains change from year to year? I guess I'm not seeing what the issue is here.
I’m not sure comparisons to the flu will help convince folks since the vast majority of people don’t get flu shots.
 
Boosters are being recommended by the administration for everyone. What does that mean to you?
The vaccine has clearly worked, and if there is a need for a booster shot for it to continue to work, it seems we should all be willing to take it. If the alternative is to become one of the hospitalized or dead, seems like an easy decision, right?
 
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There are possibilities that lie between bioweapon and bat-eating. That China was doing gain-of-function research on coronaviruses and one escaped containment due to incompetence seems to be the most likely scenario.

Oh I agree 100%. Their blind ambition and incompetence led to their Chernobyl....only they unleashed what amounts to a bio-weapon upon the world. Then they lied about it. Then they took advantage of it. Now we're stuck fighting amongst ourselves while most people don't even know for a fact that this was 100% created in a lab in China.
 
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Curious to where your located. I haven't heard of one young healthy person around my parts even being hospitalized with it.

If what you say is true then that's a definite game changer. That's scary AF!
He is on the MS gulf coast. If you are in Dekalb County, it is coming if it isn’t already happening. I think Marshall medical in Albertville has nearly 40 hospitalized with a dozen in ICU and a half dozen on vents. But keep in mind that the overall hospitalization rate is still pretty low, like around a percent or so. When so many get infected, it doesn’t take a high percentage to overwhelm hospitals.
 
Apparently, the staying home is starting to happen. Like I mentioned previously, I know someone who collapsed and died at home with it this past weekend.
Its sad. Really is. Especially if pride and disinformation kept this person from getting vaccinated.
 
Its sad. Really is. Especially if pride and disinformation kept this person from getting vaccinated.
As I understand it, her whole family is stubbornly antivax. Her father has it, but he already was dying of other serious health issues. Her son has it. My understanding is that she died in his arms as he was living with her and his grandfather while caring for them. My mom knows well the lady who died and as best I can tell, it has had no effect on her stance against being vaxxed. It breaks my heart.
 
He is on the MS gulf coast. If you are in Dekalb County, it is coming if it isn’t already happening. I think Marshall medical in Albertville has nearly 40 hospitalized with a dozen in ICU and a half dozen on vents. But keep in mind that the overall hospitalization rate is still pretty low, like around a percent or so. When so many get infected, it doesn’t take a high percentage to overwhelm hospitals.
He was specifically asking about young 20-40ish relatively healthy adults. Your point still stands....I don't necessarily think it is affecting the young different as much as the spreadability + that age group being largely unvaxxed is causing those numbers to rise. Without vaxxes I shudder to think of what things would look like right now .....
 
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He is on the MS gulf coast. If you are in Dekalb County, it is coming if it isn’t already happening. I think Marshall medical in Albertville has nearly 40 hospitalized with a dozen in ICU and a half dozen on vents. But keep in mind that the overall hospitalization rate is still pretty low, like around a percent or so. When so many get infected, it doesn’t take a high percentage to overwhelm hospitals.

I am in Dekalb and it's already pretty bad. I'm on day 10 myself. I feel like I'm over it now except my smell and taste are still gone.

I just haven't heard of any young healthy people being hospitalized or losing their lives due to the virus.
 
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The vaccine has clearly worked, and if there is a need for a booster shot for it to continue to work, it seems we should all be willing to take it. If the alternative is to become one of the hospitalized or dead, seems like an easy decision, right?
Yes, it’s worked at preventing serious disease. Nobody is denying that ITT.

Sorry if I’m skeptical that boosters are necessary after months of being told vaccines are just as good if not better than natural immunity.
 
Yes, it’s worked at preventing serious disease. Nobody is denying that ITT.

Sorry if I’m skeptical that boosters are necessary after months of being told vaccines are just as good if not better than natural immunity.
It is probably pretty difficult to get a controlled study on the efficacy duration for a vaccine verse natural immunity when the vaccine is this new and the virus isn’t much older. The safe bet is for everyone who is able to continue to get vaccinated as recommended when it’s shown efficacy is starting to wane.

It is fair to be skeptical and if I have learned anything over these past few weeks it’s that some people are just going to have to learn the hard way how dangerous this virus is. Im just not willing to bet my life on my skepticism. As much as I distrust government and am unsure of big pharma’s incentives, I trust my own doctors and friends in the medical field who are seeing first hand the tragic stories of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated.
 
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I am in Dekalb and it's already pretty bad. I'm on day 10 myself. I feel like I'm over it now except my smell and taste are still gone.

I just haven't heard of any young healthy people being hospitalized or losing their lives due to the virus.

Mrhickory works in a hospital as a Dr treating Covid patients so it would make sense he would see more of it than any of us.
 
Yes, it’s worked at preventing serious disease. Nobody is denying that ITT.

Sorry if I’m skeptical that boosters are necessary after months of being told vaccines are just as good if not better than natural immunity.

So do you think Israel is on it whatever it is? So far I’ve read:
1) Doing the 2 shots 2-3 weeks apart compared to 8-12 weeks apart really hurt our immunity. The UK had better efficacy after 6 months than us because they waited 8-12 weeks. Our bodies treated the two shots like one shot.

2) The elderly over 60 getting the third shot in Israel are getting 5-10 times more antibodies than they had weeks after their second shot.

3) Delta’s transmissibility and viral loads are so much greater that it’s lowering the efficacy.

All of the above were not known when you were being told how great the vaccines are. Btw, natural immunizing is waning fast as well so I’m not sure why you’re bringing that up.

What I want to know is what is the symptomatic efficacy of mRNA (Pfizer for me) in the US currently. It would be different here than Israel. Either way, I’ll get the booster to help me not give Covid to my dad or MIL.
 
I am in Dekalb and it's already pretty bad. I'm on day 10 myself. I feel like I'm over it now except my smell and taste are still gone.

I just haven't heard of any young healthy people being hospitalized or losing their lives due to the virus.

My wife has a coworker in her 20’s, fully vaxed, that’s having a really rough time with it, on the verge of admission. DeKalb county. It’s against the odds, but it’s happening. As long as the odds aren’t 0, you’re going to see a bit of every demographic in the hospital.
 
It is probably pretty difficult to get a controlled study on the efficacy duration for a vaccine verse natural immunity when the vaccine is this new and the virus isn’t much older. The safe bet is for everyone who is able to continue to get vaccinated as recommended when it’s shown efficacy is starting to wane.

It is fair to be skeptical and if I have learned anything over these past few weeks it’s that some people are just going to have to learn the hard way how dangerous this virus is. Im just not willing to bet my life on my skepticism. As much as I distrust government and am unsure of big pharma’s incentives, I trust my own doctors and friends in the medical field who are seeing first hand the tragic stories of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated.
I'm not advocating for people not to get the vaccines, so don't put that on me.

At what point will the triple vaccinated start blaming and shaming the double vaccinated? Or will it be the people that have gotten 4 jabs a year that are looking down on the rest of society? Will I need the third one to eat in a restaurant? Or get into a ball game? If I have 3 shots, will I need to wear a mask indoors? Where does this ever end?

When will we acknowledge that natural immunity is far superior to the vaccine, and stop forcing people to get multiple shots for a virus that they are largely unaffected by?
 
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Dude said he was only angry at shutdowns and masks on kids. He lied. Now he’s mad at the vaccine. Lol
Lol.

I thought you said we weren't going to need booster shots. That the vaccine would last at least 2-3 years, maybe longer. I counted on you stumpy, and you lied to me!
 
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I'm not advocating for people not to get the vaccines, so don't put that on me.

At what point will the triple vaccinated start blaming and shaming the double vaccinated? Or will it be the people that have gotten 4 jabs a year that are looking down on the rest of society? Will I need the third one to eat in a restaurant? Or get into a ball game? If I have 3 shots, will I need to wear a mask indoors? Where does this ever end?

When will we acknowledge that natural immunity is far superior to the vaccine, and stop forcing people to get multiple shots for a virus that they are largely unaffected by?
I don't see these scenarios as very realistic. The additional immunity from a booster vs just vaxxed is not going to make anywhere near the difference that vaxxed makes vs unvaxxed. Also, so many people are going to have immunity from having been infected with delta that the overall infections/hospitalizations will be dropping by the time most of us are due to get a booster. We aren't likely to see restrictions like you mention because this pandemic will be waning within the next month or two. Unless we get a weird, vaccine-resistant mutation, which is (IMO) unlikely.

Frankly, I am not concerned about the booster and will need to see some strong evidence of a need for it before I am willing to get it. At some point, the FDA needs to officially approve the vaccines. It's hard (IMO) to justify a need for a booster under EUA when a couple of billion doses of vaccines have been administered but they still haven't given official approval for their normal use. Also, I don't see much need because vaccinated people simply are not getting very sick very often. At this point, risk from COVID for vaccinated people isn't significantly different than risk from the flu for everybody a couple of years ago. Nobody cared about the flu then, even though it made lots of people sick. We have to have some perspective on this thing. We will never have complete safety. We never had it before.

Regarding acknowledging that natural immunity is far superior to the vaccines, I'd guess that will happen when/if there is evidence for it. Right now, the evidence does not support that. Instead, the evidence is mixed on whether one is more effective than the other and if so which.
 
Yes…unvaccinated

Curious, because I have not looked at the data lately, but are Asian Americans (or Asians globally) the lowest percentage of being serious sick/dying? Was the virus engineered by Chinese to impact other races the hardest?
 
Lol.

I thought you said we weren't going to need booster shots. That the vaccine would last at least 2-3 years, maybe longer. I counted on you stumpy, and you lied to me!
I think stump was right and that immunity from the vaccines (and from previous infection) will last for years and that the booster is not going to be very necessary for most of us, regardless of whether the gubment starts recommending them. Maybe for the immunocompromised and for the very old it makes sense, but antibody titers are not the only indication of immunity and the studies that I have seen seem to indicate that we get long-lasting immunity from both vaccines and from having the virus. Color me skeptical on getting the booster. If that makes me a tinfoil hat-wearer, I don't care.
 
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