We could. Or you could provide some evidence for yore assertion.
I completely agree. I feel like we are missing something. My main concern is that these vaccines are creating antibodies that don't last as long as they hoped. Pfizer makes a very low number of T cells. Moderna makes more but still not what we need. T cells are trained to recogozize the virus and remain active for a long time. They are like vaccine manufacturers in your body. I think we are going to have some DNA vaccines that are way better in the future at producing T cells.
i am Team Pfizer... didn't really choose, it was what I could get.. hmmm...
Children under the age of 12.
But they aren't just hurting themselves. There are the aforementioned people who can't be vaccinated or have to wait. But there's also the issue of offering fertile ground for the virus to continue mutating, which makes it more likely that a variant will emerge that seriously compromises the effectiveness of current vaccines. It's idiotic, yes, but it's not just a Darwin Award situation where the gene pool gets stronger.
I keep saying I won't get sucked into these covid discussions but I have been studying drug development for years and can't seem to help it. I can show you articles that will support any opinion you want. It is a waste of time.We could. Or you could provide some evidence for yore assertion.
Per Scott Gottlieb, a million people per day may be getting infected with the delta variant. With 4M vaccinations and 7M infections, that is over 10M people per week getting immunity. One way or another, we are swiftly headed towards herd immunity. The current spike should settle back down before too long. *crossing fingers*
Practically all the research I have seen indicates the opposite of this. Every study I have seen seems to indicate that immunity is likely to be very long lasting. Some even think it could last for decades. Of course, the reporting in the media give the opposite impression. Tagging @Stumpfan here as I think he follows these sorts of studies more than most.
Herd immunity was not achieved by people getting Polio or Small Pox. In the same sense, covid infections can lead to lifetime damage even if it doesn't kill you.
I had similar question, but I still think you are solidly protected with Pfizer.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
See what I mean. We are getting completely opposite information. This seems to be the rule today. We use to have 3 networks, 3 3 min news cast and they all said the same thing.
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. Are you saying that vaccinated people getting infected is causing mutations that affect the rest of us? If so, I disagree. If you are saying that unvaccinated people are doing that, I still disagree but not as strongly. Obviously, if everybody got vaccinated tomorrow, this pandemic would almost completely die within two months and the mutations would die out with it. But even with mutations, those of us who are vaccinated are largely unaffected. If there is evidence contrary to this, I'd like to see it. The data in mrhickory's OP in this thread is strong evidence that variants are not affecting the vaccinated much at all.
Have you had any patients who've had it previously or are these all first timers indicating that natural immunity is holding up even for the variants? Thx!
That is because people got vaccinated for those diseases. Lifetime damage is irrelevant to herd immunity. Regardless of whether those who get it wind up with lifetime damage, they still have immunity, which contributes to herd immunity. Eve those who die contribute to herd immunity as they stop spreading it. Surely you aren't claiming that COVID infection does not result in immunity?
That was an Israel study and ended up being an outlier due to being a small study. Larger studies from Canada and UK showed 88% later in vs delta.
People refusing to get vaccinated are not just hurting themselves. All of us will suffer if hospitals are overwhelmed. On top of that, the more COVID spreads, the more likely we are to end up with new variants that are even more contagious and potentially more deadly. Your takes on COVID have been horrendously bad since the start of this crisis so you should apologize to Mr. H and other bunker docs for spending most of last year demanding people believe COVID was less deadly than the flu and not comment further on this topic.
Look, if you are aware of opposite information, please provide it. We don't have to rely on newscasts. We can get info from reputable scientific sources like below. If there are similar sources that show that immunity is likely not to last very long, let's see them.
jamanetwork.com
www.nature.com
I was kind of wondering the same thing. For those of us who have had Pfizer, would a single booster of Moderna be beneficial? I assume that the protection offered by Pfizer is still so high as to make it sort of pointless, but...
You’ll be fine. Both vaccines are very successful at keeping your symptoms at a minimum and avoiding hospitalization IF you contract it.
This is not accurate. We are certainly fortunate that the vaccines are proving highly effective at preventing serious illness in the delta variant. There is no guarantee that the current vaccines will protect us from future variants though. I have heard numerous doctors mention this as a major risk and it's one of the reasons that the "unvaccinated are only hurting themselves" argument is bogus.
katv.com
It has 2-3 times the vaccine in it than Pfizer. Pfizer showing 88% efficacy vs delta right now for symptomatic Covid.
You spent months demanding everyone believe COVID was less deadly than the flu. It's incredible that you think anyone would still take your hot takes on this topic seriously. Mr. H has been kind enough to provide us with first hand information. Thank him for doing so and then stop trying to offer your baseless hot takes that have proved so inaccurate time after time.
As Karl Spackler said, I've got that going for me.
I assume you need to wait until it's been 6 months? I got my Pfizer shots on March 8 and 29.
There’s a big overlap on those that had Covid and getting the vaccine s many don’t know they had it and so many saying you still need the vaccine. So if 100 million had it and 50% of those were vaccinated, we are at 220 million of 340 million being immune? That’s not enough. People that have Delta spread it to 6 people while the original variant spread it to 2.
What you’re missing is a delta carrier passes it to 6 people instead of 2 people (original Covid).
Read his entire post more carefully. Specifically, how few vaccinated are hospitalized.
