pole: the “experts” are warning everything is going to hit the fan in two weeks

[Jim in Scranton]

Why aren’t they coming back? Again, nobody is arguing for a shutdown. What I’m saying is we are Fvcking up again. Why are other countries bringing their cases down where it’s safe to open back up but we didn’t? Explain the EU destroying us on Covid now.

Cases, cases, cases. It's a meaningless stat without context. Deaths are down 70% from their peak. Hospitals aren't even close to being overrun.

The intent is to manage the virus within capacity while allowing people to live freely. It's completely manageable so far and metrics fall far below anything that happened in the Northeast.

 

[griffna]

Hundreds of thousands of people dying (so far) is more than regrettable. Imo.

And we have China to blame for that. Had they been honest and transparent and taken measures to stop the spread around the world, we wouldn’t be in this mess. However, you can’t undo what has already been done, so we have to find a way forward that takes these circumstances into account. People have to take responsibility for their own lives and choices and we have to move forward.

 

[warchief64]

Hundreds of thousands of people dying (so far) is more than regrettable. Imo.

Of mainly elderly people whose lives are 90% in the rear view mirror, yes. My 85 yo dad has become one of the most vocal people I know about safeguarding the economy vs losing lives of his generation. Like I said, not all choices are good vs bad. It's like having to chop off your arm to survive. It took me months to arrive at this destination but I truly don't see any other alternative. Continuing to half ass it isn't going to help anyone.

 

[jdAU08]

That's awesome, but we have a member here who lost his mother yesterday to COVID-19. Let's ease back on this for a few days at least. Maybe don't joke about how people are laughing about having coronavirus. Show just a little respect, please.

Sorry. I didn’t see that post. Not trying to be disrespectful

 

[49min2midni8]

So you think restaurants and bars and retail places would be full if allowed to go full? Most can’t even fill what they are allowed to. Even chic-fil-a won’t open their dining room here but they are allowed to.

In PC last week through the weekend and restaurants were as packed as could be. 2+ hour wait times. Tootsies was shoulder to shoulder with live band and a line wrapped around the building.

 

[AuHoosier420]

In PC last week through the weekend and restaurants were as packed as could be. 2+ hour wait times. Tootsies was shoulder to shoulder with live band and a line wrapped around the building.

The entire pan handle would easily pack out bars and restaurants now. 2-3 hour waits everywhere

 

[Stumpfan]

Off the top of my head, the mayor of Miami is arguing to shut back down. That was just this morning.

Look, I was fairly neutral at the onset of this because no one really knew what we were dealing with. Also for some selfish reasons like my 85 yo dad (already lost my mom and only sibling) and my secretary who is a breast cancer survivor. I cringed at aler's posts that stated we basically shouldn't change a damn thing. But you know what...he's probably right. Our economy cannot function on half ass re-openings. It just can't.

I really don't think it can be argued anymore that the only real solution is full steam ahead. By doing that then yes, we are going to lose elderly and some unhealthy younger people which is regrettable. But sometimes you have to pick the least shitty of two shitty choices.

I've never been a trekkie but Spock was right - the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Lol at agreeing with aler. I think you botched the first sentence of your 3rd paragraph.

 

[hsvtiger34]

Because state governments won't let them come back. Are you under the impression that states are open without restrictions and businesses just aren't coming back because no one wants to buy their services? Restaurants generally operate at a 4% profit margin on average. The average restaurant is operating at a loss if you make then operate at 50% capacity.

And, to respond to @warchief64 , I actually have to work, unlike @Stumpfan . I haven't missed a paycheck since this started fortunately. The longer it drags out, that could change. None of my kids have missed a check either, which is a dang blessing (one is a teacher, one delivers for UPS).

So you think restaurants and bars and retail places would be full if allowed to go full? Most can’t even fill what they are allowed to. Even chic-fil-a won’t open their dining room here but they are allowed to.

I could speculate they would be and you’d speculate they wouldn’t be, so that’s not going anywhere. I know Larry’s Pistol here in Huntsville would be full because there is a line everyday waiting their turn to get in.

 

[Stumpfan]

Cases, cases, cases. It's a meaningless stat without context. Deaths are down 70% from their peak. Hospitals aren't even close to being overrun.

The intent is to manage the virus within capacity while allowing people to live freely. It's completely manageable so far and metrics fall far below anything that happened in the Northeast.

Hospitalizations are sky rocketing in some states like TX, AZ, etc. I can’t help you if you think that more cases and hospitalizations won’t lead to more deaths.

 

[Stumpfan]

In PC last week through the weekend and restaurants were as packed as could be. 2+ hour wait times. Tootsies was shoulder to shoulder with live band and a line wrapped around the building.

Dear Lord. I’m talking nationwide, not at a beach.

 

[GONIG BUCK]

Hospitalizations are sky rocketing in some states like TX, AZ, etc. I can’t help you if you think that more cases and hospitalizations won’t lead to more deaths.

Yeah, Texas Children's Hospital is now taking adults from other hospitals as overflow.

 

[Stumpfan]

Cases, cases, cases. It's a meaningless stat without context. Deaths are down 70% from their peak. Hospitals aren't even close to being overrun.

The intent is to manage the virus within capacity while allowing people to live freely. It's completely manageable so far and metrics fall far below anything that happened in the Northeast.

 

[warchief64]

Lol at you ever being neutral. Also, I think you botched the first sentence of your 3rd paragraph.

I very much was. Occasionally liked posts by you and @DM8 as well as liking posts from the other side. Like I said, at the time no one really knew what we were dealing with. I thought both sides made good (and poor) points.

As far as the sentence in question...it pertains to our economic choice going forward.

1( Shut it down and live in a cocoon.
2) Half ass shut downs and half ass re-openings.
3) Wide open.

1) Economy = dead.
2) It's what we've been doing for the last month or so. It's not working. You admitted yourself that it won't work as most businesses can't survive running at half capacity.
3) It's the only option left available to save the economy.

1 is a joke, you admitted 2 is a failure...so why are you balking at 3? What is your solution?

 

[AuHoosier420]

I very much was. Occasionally liked posts by you and @DM8 as well as liking posts from the other side. Like I said, at the time no one really knew what we were dealing with. I thought both sides made good (and poor) points.

As far as the sentence in question...it pertains to our economic choice going forward.

1( Shut it down and live in a cocoon.
2) Half ass shut downs and half ass re-openings.
3) Wide open.

1) Economy = dead.
2) It's what we've been doing for the last month or so. It's not working. You admitted yourself that it won't work as most businesses can't survive running at half capacity.
3) It's the only option left available to save the economy.

1 is a joke, you admitted 2 is a failure...so why are you balking at 3? What is your solution?

All stump cares about is trump losing. Does not care about people continueing to be unemployed

 

[Jim in Scranton]

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And that is OK if they have the capacity to treat patients (which they do).

 

[T I G E R]

I very much was. Occasionally liked posts by you and @DM8 as well as liking posts from the other side. Like I said, at the time no one really knew what we were dealing with. I thought both sides made good (and poor) points.

As far as the sentence in question...it pertains to our economic choice going forward.

1( Shut it down and live in a cocoon.
2) Half ass shut downs and half ass re-openings.
3) Wide open.

1) Economy = dead.
2) It's what we've been doing for the last month or so. It's not working. You admitted yourself that it won't work as most businesses can't survive running at half capacity.
3) It's the only option left available to save the economy.

1 is a joke, you admitted 2 is a failure...so why are you balking at 3? What is your solution?

people generally don’t have the education or ability to comprehend the full scale destruction arbitrary shut downs would have if extended. that’s okay, that’s not their fault. that’s not even accounting for the rapid increase in crime or any of the other ancillary effects of wrecking economic demand. 99.5%+ of people that get this will be perfectly fine, and a significant majority of those will have nothing beyond the sniffles.

either way, it doesn’t matter what i think, society has spoken. things won’t be shutting down again.

 

[Stumpfan]

I very much was. Occasionally liked posts by you and @DM8 as well as liking posts from the other side. Like I said, at the time no one really knew what we were dealing with. I thought both sides made good (and poor) points.

As far as the sentence in question...it pertains to our economic choice going forward.

1( Shut it down and live in a cocoon.
2) Half ass shut downs and half ass re-openings.
3) Wide open.

1) Economy = dead.
2) It's what we've been doing for the last month or so. It's not working. You admitted yourself that it won't work as most businesses can't survive running at half capacity.
3) It's the only option left available to save the economy.

1 is a joke, you admitted 2 is a failure...so why are you balking at 3? What is your solution?

What is the EU doing? They are opening back up everything because they beat Covid. What are other countries doing that we are not? This isn’t that hard.

 

[Stumpfan]

people generally don’t have the education or ability to comprehend the full scale destruction arbitrary shut downs would have if extended. that’s okay, that’s not their fault. that’s not even accounting for the rapid increase in crime or any of the other ancillary effects of wrecking economic demand. 99.5%+ of people that get this will be perfectly fine, and a significant majority of those will have nothing beyond the sniffles.

either way, it doesn’t matter what i think, society has spoken. things won’t be shutting down again.

And nobody on this board is saying it should shut down.

 

[Stumpfan]

And that is OK if they have the capacity to treat patients (which they do).

The spike just started. Again, huge outbreaks lead to massive hospitalizations and many deaths. What is too many deaths for you? 30,000 a month? 60,000?

 

[GONIG BUCK]

And nobody on this board is saying it should shut down.

I'm all for reopening 100% if everyone wears a mask and stays home if they don't feel well/are exposed to someone with COVID.

 

[Stumpfan]

All stump cares about is trump losing. Does not care about people continueing to be unemployed

Always just takes one moron to make a thread political.

 

[Stumpfan]

I'm all for reopening 100% if everyone wears a mask and stays home if they don't feel well/are exposed to someone with COVID.

Wear a mask!!?!!?! No way!!! That’s terrible.

 

[AuHoosier420]

Always just takes one moron to make a thread political.

I just the provide the truth

 

[Stumpfan]

I just the provide the truth

You’re a political hack who breaks bunker rules.

 

[overman185]

Then explain 20 million people still out of work that were laid off.

Umm well there was the overreaction of the various state governments whereby everything was needlessly locked down.

 

[Stumpfan]

Umm well there was the overreaction of the various state governments whereby everything was needlessly locked down.

And things are opening up and they are still laid off. No V recovery because the virus is still very much running rampant.

 

[Jim in Scranton]

The spike just started. Again, huge outbreaks lead to massive hospitalizations and many deaths. What is too many deaths for you? 30,000 a month? 60,000?

So we need to wait two weeks, right?

 

[Stumpfan]

So we need to wait two weeks, right?

There isn’t even a question that deaths are going to a constant. I’m old enough to remember yesterday when 200-300 deaths a day was going to be it. One day later...

 

[Jim in Scranton]

There isn’t even a question that deaths are going to a constant. I’m old enough to remember yesterday when 200-300 deaths a day was going to be it. One day later...

Got some bad news for you. Deaths and hospitalizations are on the way down despite cases remaining constant.

 

[thesugar6]

And those people are screwed with a virus running rampant. 40% of the jobs making less than $40k got laid off and almost all of them are still laid off. What you don’t get it is social distancing, mask wearing, testing, contact tracing, etc are the ways we can reopen.

Here is when I have to chime in. You either can’t read good or like o misreport stats. Reading articles from mid May doesn’t help.

40% of people in households that bring in less than 40k a year were laid off. Not 40% of people with a salary of 50k or less. These were low income families, still bad but you are misquoting again. And 90% of those either expect to return to work or have already returned to work as of June 1.

It was bad for the economy, and heck these states may feel the pressure to shut down again, but I don’t see it happening. May be more masks required or requested but no more shutting down. Not sure on schools or sports to be honest but things can change quickly. Always a better idea of things in two weeks or so.

 

[Stumpfan]

Got some bad news for you. Deaths and hospitalizations are on the way down despite cases remaining constant.

Your own graph is showing hospitalizations starting to go flat. What do you think happens there is the bars go up?

 

[Stumpfan]

Here is when I have to chime in. You either can’t read good or like o misreport stats. Reading articles from mid May doesn’t help.

40% of people in households that bring in less than 40k a year were laid off. Not 40% of people with a salary of 50k or less. These were low income families, still bad but you are misquoting again. And 90% of those either expect to return to work or have already returned to work as of June 1.

It was bad for the economy, and heck these states may feel the pressure to shut down again, but I don’t see it happening. May be more masks required or requested but no more shutting down. Not sure on schools or sports to be honest but things can change quickly. Always a better idea of things in two weeks or so.

Link to 90% returning to work by June 1 or even July 1?

 

[thesugar6]

Link to 90% returning to work by June 1 or even July 1?

I said “have returned or expect to return”. I didn’t say they all have. I said as of June 1, 90% have either returned to work or they expect to return to work.

 

[Stumpfan]

I said “have returned or expect to return”. I didn’t say they all have. I said as of June 1, 90% have either returned to work or they expect to return to work.

And I said link??? Do you know how many are still out of work overall?

 

[Stumpfan]

And that is OK if they have the capacity to treat patients (which they do).

They do?

 

[reely989]

Got some bad news for you. Deaths and hospitalizations are on the way down despite cases remaining constant.

As you're smart enough to know, different areas are being affected differently. It's not a one size fits all thing. There are areas right now that could have some issues up ahead. I doubt we see another as bad as new York but this seems like it's just going to linger because people just won't be smart.

 

[aubielaker]

The Mega-Machine, like any machine is, by definition, totalitarian in character and it is actually a weapon. It consists of order and obedience. Whoever or whatever is not obedient, becomes harmful to him- or herself. S/he/ it cannot continue, ”crashes”, or, points are deducted because s/he no longer delivers information/data. It is simultaneously about ”surveillance and punishment” (Foucault); about total control of everything and about the ability to exert direct influence from the outside, possibly going as far as ”deletion”.

 

[overman185]

And things are opening up and they are still laid off. No V recovery because the virus is still very much running rampant.

No - because all of he states have not fully reopened. Further every was closed way too long - too long to survive the closure and now that things have attempted to reopen - the fear mongering and panic porn continues. Hard to fight again a continued and repeated false narrative that thig boogie man virus was going to wipe out all life on the planet when the reality is that is largely a glorified cold for most of the population.

 

[TigerTime099]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/us/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

Out at cnn

 

[Stumpfan]

No - because all of he states have not fully reopened. Further every was closed way too long - too long to survive the closure and now that things have attempted to reopen - the fear mongering and panic porn continues. Hard to fight again a continued and repeated false narrative that thig boogie man virus was going to wipe out all life on the planet when the reality is that is largely a glorified cold for most of the population.

Nope. It’s mostly due to people not wanting to expose themselves to getting Covid 19.