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Discussion in 'The Open Forum' started by plw0002, Oct 9, 2016.
Did you have an aneurysm while trying to type this?
Missed your chance to putt it in lots of butts.
Definitely! The state of Alabama has always had huge number of its citizens on legal painkillers. In fact, year in and year out, we usually led the nation in that category. In 2012, Alabama was the highest painkiller prescribing state, with 143 prescriptions per 100 people. Yeah, that's not a typo. So, it stands to reason that our state's heroin problem will likewise be among the worst in the nation on a per capita basis. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/07/alabama_ranks_1_as_highest_pai.html
Damn, interesting stat... that's really bad.... big pharma and the medicinal complex is fvcking this country hard on opiates.
That basically sums it up. I walked 4 miles home at 3 AM.
Also saw an interesting stat recently. More people are on pain killers than use tobacco products in the US. That's all tobacco products.
No I did not. Posted on the long walk home
Almost all of the heroin that makes it into Birmingham comes from Mexico. For decades, the Mexican cartels made the "black tar" variety which was unappealing to all but the most experienced drug users, and was typically injected. Now, those same Mexican cartels are producing heroin in the form of a purer white powder that can be snorted, thus broadening its market appeal to novice US consumers who would normally be averse to injection drug use.
Damn, wouldn't surprise me but I find that hard to believe... any source on that?
He didn't do it, but acted like he saw it on a regular basis. It was rough. I was there for all of 20 minutes before I dipped out. Horrible after party. That's for sure.
Wow, stunning stat, wasn't trying to call you out just legitimately curious.
I know! I was a little taken back when I saw that recently. Crazy
There weren't many military guys there. I saw maybe 2 or 3.
The DEA is also at the forefront of creating the heroin problem. They go after the doctors and pharmacies the DEA "perceives" to be prescribing or dispensing too many opiates. I would wager the farm most DEA agents don't have a medical license or pharmacy license to understand and rationalize clinical decisions.
The DEA has two jobs: 1. Get drugs off the street (even legally prescribed & medically necessary ones). 2. Justify their continued existence.
Legit physicians and pharmacies are terrified of the DEA because they can swoop in and destroy your practice without repercussion or oversight. They prescribe and dispense less creating a vacuum that cheap heroin fills. From the DEA's perspective, doctors and pharmacists are the low hanging fruit. They are required to keep documentation, have a physical address and don't shoot back. Why go after real dangerous criminals and get shot when you know where to find a medical professional and have thousands of pages of documentation you can scour for months or years while "investigating" them.
Zero respect for the DEA. Save $2 billion/yr eliminate the DEA and turn drug enforcement over to FBI and local law enforcement. They are as big a part of the problem as the heroin dealers putting fentanyl (80x more potent) into their cheap heroin.
The DEA is a joke, as is the war on drugs.
People are going to find what they want to find, in wildly varying degrees of purity.
De-criminalize it, regulate it, and put the money towards treatment.
Most overdoses are due to doing too much because they don't know what the purity is.
The current system obviously doesn't work.
I have clearly had a pretty sheltered life. I've seen some drug use but not on that level. Terrible way to end the day.
All the OD deaths are from the Mexicans cutting the heroin with the cheap synthetic opiate fentanyl. Fentanyl is 80x more potent. Opiates are generally delivered in milligrams. Fentanyl is delivered is micrograms (1/1000th of a mg). Make a minor mistake like not having scales accurate to 0.001 g and you can start killing people real quick. They use it to enhance the high and have their low grade heroin be perceived as good. Fentanyl shuts down the respiratory system and the only way back is injecting the antidote naloxone. CPR is useless because the nervous system controlling respiration is switched off. It's only a matter of time before you die using today's heroin.
It really was.
How's the high? Do they call it a trainspotting party?
Thankfully I wouldn't know. It's scary seeing people "self-medicate" with needles.
Yep, obviously the drug is bad in and of itself, but the majority of deaths occur because of the fvcked up supply chain our war on drugs has created.
We spend 20-30 billion a year fighting a losing battle to prevent drugs from entering the country.
That's not a funny joke.
I think all cops and medics here in Orlando are carrying Narcan as an antidote for heroin OD. Yeah, it's come to that.
This from the same guy who has managed to convince himself that most bammerd are "liberal democrats"
Sheltered pussiez ITT
I'm not an FDA/DEA fan either, but I do believe part of the problem is some of the doctors. There's no legitimate reason anyone would need 240 lortab pills per month every month. My mom gets scripts like that every day and refuses to fill them. I understand people have pain issues, but they need to find another way to manage it.
Also, this country sucks at addiction treatment, but that's another issue entirely. AA/NA are major fails.
Sounds like a bunch of 20/30 something year olds that can't handle the pressure of normal life. There are some weak ass b*tches these days.
The FDA will create a monopoly for Narcan and the price will skyrocket. Then we all can blame the CEO of the company and capitalism on fbook and not the real shitbags. FDA and DEA do more harm than good IMO. Especially when it comes to drugs.
Big pharma, FDA and big govt get Americans hooked on prescription meds then hike the insurance prices. Quite the racket.
AA/NA are great programs, but they're only as good as you make them.
Agreed that doctors and pharma should be held responsible for a lot of this though.
Wow. That's what's crazy to me. I could see it becoming more popular now that it's being snorted (learned that today on the bunker). But I guess, in a lot of cases, you start with the powder and progress to the needle.
Shit like the info in this thread makes me worry about my 2 year old boy and sure as hell makes me scared to have a second. I guess living in Louisville now with the wife and kid has isolated me from the social drug scene, but I (naively) had no idea heroine was this prevalent in solid communities. I know it happens, but not at the frequency being discussed in here. Sheesh
Everybody knows this state sucks.
Yeah man. I only agreed to go to this after party because it's a solid middle class neighborhood. I walked into the kitchen to grab a beer and saw people just sitting around the table with needles and heroin. I never thought I'd see it. It's my fault for going, but I left immediately and walked about 4 miles home.
In other countries, they have been using several medications successfully to effectively cure addiction. One of the drugs they use for heroin addiction is Schedule 1 in the US because it's a hallucinogen. The other (for alcoholism) is readily available but generally is not prescribed for unknown reasons.
Didn't realize making it through life without front row tickets to a needle-fest made you a pussy.... Good to know.