Yeah absolutely —-to school your children the way you want —-sounds terribleThink how crazy one would have to be to make that decision after fda approval.
Yeah absolutely —-to school your children the way you want —-sounds terribleThink how crazy one would have to be to make that decision after fda approval.
You said it's been studied for 6 months. The first data on a human trial came out over a year ago. 1 year is more than 6 months.
explain to me how a study can be wholly accurate when the vaccine has only been out for the public for about 6months. Then it takes time after that before studies can be started to text the proficiency of said vaccine. So explain to me why you are so confused at this?
Isn’t the issue that just because a person had one strain of C19 the Natural antibodies do not protect against new variants such as Delta?
What are you talking about. The vaccine rolled out roughly 6-7 months ago for the public. You can’t efficiently run a study until some time has passed, to then accurately collect data on immunity or not be natural immunity which has been being studied far longer. Are just playing dumb or do you clearly not grasp how that works?@A2NCtiger explain to me how a study can be released with a study taking place?
What are you talking about. The vaccine rolled out roughly 6-7 months ago for the public. You can’t efficiently run a study until some time has passed, to then accurately collect data on immunity or not be natural immunity which has been being studied far longer. Are just playing dumb or do you clearly not grasp how that works?
How is a study released a year ago on a vaccine efficacy when the vaccine hasn’t even been being given to the public that long?A study was released over a year ago. You're saying there was no study involved in that study. I'm asking you to explain what constitutes study taking place if a study is released and that doesn't count for some unknown reason
Yep that sounds great, unfortunately it’s not reality and most aren’t going to pay for an antibody test, they are just gonna say “that’s violating my rights” etcYes, science would allow us to determine that. If someone wants to use their own insurance, or their own money to pay for an antibody test in lieu of a vaccine passport, I feel they should be allowed to do so. Put the cost on them if you must, but it gives a signal that you have other hidden agendas when you go against the complete age-old grain, and do something like that.
People are making all kinds of crazy justifications for some of these things that don't really add up. One one side we scream, "follow the science, follow the science", but then whenever something comes up on the flip-side, we are hypocritical and make excuses to not use science?
How is a study released a year ago on a vaccine efficacy when the vaccine hasn’t even been being given to the public that long?
My whole point, which you’ve clearly twisted or failed to see is that far more studies need to be done to compare vaccine Vs natural immunity and the efficacy and ability of each. The vaccine hasn’t been out a year for the public, especially for the majority of age groups. No study done a year ago on the vaccine can be wholly accurate, that’s my point. More data is needed for both. This virus and vaccine are still very early stages. This isn’t the flu that’s been researched for 30 yearsA study was released over a year ago. You're saying there was no study involved in that study. I'm asking you to explain what constitutes study taking place if a study is released and that doesn't count for some unknown reason
My whole point, which you’ve clearly twisted or failed to see is that far more studies need to be done to compare vaccine Vs natural immunity and the efficacy and ability of each. The vaccine hasn’t been out a year for the public, especially for the majority of age groups. No study done a year ago on the vaccine can be wholly accurate, that’s my point. More data is needed for both. This virus and vaccine are still very early stages. This isn’t the flu that’s been researched for 30 years
Oh Jesus dude you need to read properly, I said the vaccine has only been out to the public for roughly 6 months and even then it takes time after to start a proper study on efficacy of it compared to natural immunity. Jesus man drink some coffee and wake upBecause you said the vaccine has been studied for 6 months and that's not true as you've now acknowledged
No shit and they’ve researched it for a very long time to be able to adjust some each year in what they anticipate will happen and 15-20k people still die of the flu every year, including kidsYou said the vaccine has been studied for 6 months. That's incorrect. BTW the flu vaccine you get is different every year
Oh Jesus dude you need to read properly, I said the vaccine has only been out to the public for roughly 6 months and even then it takes time after to start a proper study on efficacy of it compared to natural immunity. Jesus man drink some coffee and wake up
No shit and they’ve researched it for a very long time to be able to adjust some each year in what they anticipate will happen and 15-20k people still die of the flu every year, including kids
Yeah absolutely —-to school your children the way you want —-sounds terrible
It wasn’t an “extremely limited” trial you gigantic boob. The clinical trials, which skipped exactly 0.0 steps involved tens of thousands of participants (over 76,000 between Pfizer and Moderna alone).How long has the vaccine been out? Not in extremely limited trial but actually out? 6-7 months or so. Therefore research on it vs natural is still in its very very early research period and truth is nobody truly knows yet. Ally more data and research is needed. We do know one thing, natural immunity has zero chance of developing problems that getting the vaccine could potentially and already has caused. As far as which protects better, that is yet to be determined. So yea. That is very true
Based on the vaccine only being out that long!!! Wake upHere is what you said:
My problem is they’ve only studied this stuff for roughly 6 months now.
This is incorrect.
Jesus guy. It’s the same vaccine that they make micro adjustments to if they feel is needed based on assumptions of variables they feel may be needed for that year. Once vaccine has rolled out they then start new studies on the efficacy of that vaccine and use that data for the following year. Is it that hard to understand??But if it's new every year how have they researched the new vaccine for a very long time? We've already established you don't think studies can start until after the first dose is given to the public.
Based on the vaccine only being out that long!!! Wake up
Lol ok clownIt wasn’t an “extremely limited” trial you gigantic boob. The clinical trials, which skipped exactly 0.0 steps involved tens of thousands of participants (over 76,000 between Pfizer and Moderna alone).
You are correct that the vaccine has been available to the public since December (7ish months), but I’m assuming he is referring to clinical trials which started March 2020. Studies on safety and efficacy are a part of phases 1-3 of a clinical trial. Pfizer’s phase 3 started almost exactly one year ago. Not stirring the pot, just stating what I believe he is referring to.Oh Jesus dude you need to read properly, I said the vaccine has only been out to the public for roughly 6 months and even then it takes time after to start a proper study on efficacy of it compared to natural immunity. Jesus man drink some coffee and wake up
You are correct that the vaccine has been available to the public since December (7ish months), but I’m assuming he is referring to clinical trials which started March 2020. Studies on safety and efficacy are a part of phases 1-3 of a clinical trial. Pfizer’s phase 3 started almost exactly one year ago. Not stirring the pot, just stating what I believe he is referring to.
I thibj you're the one who's still asleep. You're claiming that a study released over a year ago wasn't a study. So what was it?
Additionally, how can a brand new flu vaccine have been studied for a long time if it hasn't been out yet?
RIP to yore wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband...All I know is I got the shot and I kept an erection for 72 hours straight. Probably not normal.
Yes I know that’s what he’s alluding to but my point is those were very limited and rushed studies to get the vaccine approved for emergency use. The data they can get now with millions vaccinated form new studies will be far better. That’s my point, more studies and data are needed to really compare vaccine vs natural immunity.You are correct that the vaccine has been available to the public since December (7ish months), but I’m assuming he is referring to clinical trials which started March 2020. Studies on safety and efficacy are a part of phases 1-3 of a clinical trial. Pfizer’s phase 3 started almost exactly one year ago. Not stirring the pot, just stating what I believe he is referring to.
Which phases/steps were skipped (other than the multiple rounds of having to lobby for/raise funding to move to the next phase)?Lol ok clown
You just use Wikipedia to try and list a few studies in the past lol that proves absolutely nothing and I never said anything was skipped dumbass. I said current studies and future ones now that the vaccine has been out a while and lions have gotten it, will be far more accurate with far greater data. That’s fact. If you’re ant to be an idiot and try and argue that go for it but you’d be wrongWhich phases/steps were skipped (other than the multiple rounds of having to lobby for/raise funding to move to the next phase)?
How does 46,000 trial participants (Pfizer) and 30,000 trial participants (Moderna) compare to the number of participants in other clinical trials for past vaccines?
I'll offer you a few:
HPV - Gardasil had a clinical trial with 29,000 participants.
Meningitis - the two most popular vaccines for meningitis had clinical trials with 3100 and 4500 participants respectively.
To date, there has be no clinical trial to demonstrate the efficacy of the tetanus/diphtheria vaccines.
I haven't used Wikipedia for anything.You just use Wikipedia to try and list a few studies in the past lol that proves absolutely nothing and I never said anything was skipped dumbass. I said current studies and future ones now that the vaccine has been out a while and lions have gotten it, will be far more accurate with far greater data. That’s fact. If you’re ant to be an idiot and try and argue that go for it but you’d be wrong
No I’m not ass hat, I’m saying that study isn’t wholly accurate when the major vaccine rollout has only been going on for 6-7 months. Studies happening now and more that will continue to happen will be far more accurate than any study that was being rushed just to get emergency approval of a vaccine which bye the government has allowed the companies to have no responsibility for. So if there deaths, major fall back, etc, Pfizer, and etc aren’t going to be held liable. They won’t even stand behind their vaccine lol
Aren’t the vaccines only effective against certain variants also? I don’t know much about it, but I keep hearing about the B.1.617 variant blasting through naturally acquired and vaccinated folk.
I don’t trust any data being published because it’s all horse 💩. Nothing you read or hear can be trusted anymore so I’ll make my own decisions on what to do.
Yep that sounds great, unfortunately it’s not reality and most aren’t going to pay for an antibody test, they are just gonna say “that’s violating my rights” etc
You said the vaccine has been studied for 6 months. That's incorrect. BTW the flu vaccine you get is different every year
Which phases/steps were skipped (other than the multiple rounds of having to lobby for/raise funding to move to the next phase)?
How does 46,000 trial participants (Pfizer) and 30,000 trial participants (Moderna) compare to the number of participants in other clinical trials for past vaccines?
I'll offer you a few:
HPV - Gardasil had a clinical trial with 29,000 participants.
Meningitis - the two most popular vaccines for meningitis had clinical trials with 3100 and 4500 participants respectively.
To date, there has be no clinical trial to demonstrate the efficacy of the tetanus/diphtheria vaccines.
Effective how? Latest data is the vaccines are still holding up from 88-90+ percent effective at stopping serious illness and death. This is far more effective than the flu vaccine btw.
People seem to have a misconception that the vaccine is 100% effective which has never happened in history.
“you can still get covid if you get the vaccine.” = “the bullets still hit you if you wear a bulletproof vest.”
You're equivocating. The bottom line is that we do NOT have any data on the vaccines from the mid-term or long-term, and this is indeed the very first time this technology was pushed across the line for use by the general public.
Even factoring in the trials, we still don't have any data in those two timeframes, so that does carry risk. We know the vaccine itself won't kill most people immediately, (they are very safe in that regard), but beyond that, we don't know much at all, no matter how many people equivocate and say, "the science behind them is solid". We are learning a lot, and likely will be for years into the future.
Nope, I'm not. Other vaccines using the "classical, tried and true" tech ended up having terrible adverse effects (all of which showed up within a month or so of vaccination). Not to mention, the HPV and meningitis vaccines also use this so-called "classical" tech. They had clinical trials.But you are missing KEY points as you typically do. The DTaP, (tetanus/diphtheria) vaccine was built on the classical, tried and true vaccine technology, so we already had TONS of usage data, and knowledge to have a much better idea that it was safe throughout the full life-cycle.
Answered in the other thread.However, since we do NOT have this type of usage data for these completely new vaccine technologies, we can't say for 100% certain, that we KNOW they are safe throughout the full life-cycle. They are super safe in the immediate timeframe, and a tad more than a year out, but beyond that, we simply do not know and it's shameful to try and trick people as if we do have this knowledge.