This is the dumbest take...
I live in nyc. We have tons of guidelines. Cool. Things are fine.
I'm in alabama this week and you guys don't do shit.. So whatever.
Why do you let your inferiority complex enter into this?
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I live in nyc. We have tons of guidelines. Cool. Things are fine.
I'm in alabama this week and you guys don't do shit.. So whatever.
Why do you let your inferiority complex enter into this?
I'm not sure you understood my post. There are people on both sides of the aisle to tie their "coolness" to the guidelines. Hard-core crazy libs love flaunting how cool they are double masking and disparaging those who don't. Hard core crazy trumpers love flaunting how they won't follow the rules that are in place. It's not about whether or not one is right. It's about how they enjoy getting famous for their belief or disbelief in the rules. There are absolutely people who's entire personality revolves around the guidelines being in place otherwise they're no longer interesting to the people they're trying to gain fame with.
What "science" has been "known for months" Rice??? What changed long ago that should have led to them reducing the quarantine period again?
Except the all-important fact that we have NOT been doing actual science for much of this pandemic.
We have been tossing that tag line/phrase out there, but doing REALLY bad science, or things that aren't real science at all.
So, all of the other variants have suddenly disappeared off of the face of the earth??? Omicron is the only thing out there all of a sudden??? If that's not the case, should we base policy on the dominant strain this quickly?
Doc, can you please share with the board your opinion and understanding as to whether asymptomatic people can spread COVID?
They're just becoming exceedingly rare. It was probably over-reach to begin with. The whole point of the push to get vaccinated - in this context - was as a carrot to not have to test everyone all the time, then they backtracked on that.
I'm not one that has been overly critical of the CDC because I recognize that it's acting in real time based upon constantly changing data, so it must attempt to craft a middle of the line policy. It isn't designed to be perfect or anywhere close to it. It's what we have. Can it improve? Surely. But non-scientists aren't going to be helpful.
There is no federal solution NOW. That doesn't mean there was never a possibility of one.
I do find it amusing that when Brandon actually agrees with Republican governors people want to accuse him of poor leadership. When he tries to crack down by issuing mandates, it's poor leadership. When he tries to encourage people to get the vaccine, it's poor leadership because he's talking down to them. When even Trump gets vaccinated and gets a COVID booster and advises his supporters to get the vaccine, his own supporters turn on him. What that tells me is that there is no solution - period - because some in this country are so ideologically biased, right or wrong, that it is impossible to create cohesive federal policy which works at the local level.
OTOH, isn't that almost always the case? Libertarian ideology is almost always right ... it just lacks practical implementation.
Sadly, I think you really believe that. The cat is out of the bag now.
"The reason is that with the sheer volume of new cases that we are having and that we expect to continue with Omicron, one of the things we want to be careful of is that we don't have so many people out," Dr. Anthony Fauci explains why CDC changed Covid isolation guidelines.
Delta asks CDC to cut quarantine guidelines for breakthrough Covid, citing workforce impact
The letter comes as Covid cases spike and the omicron variant spreads rapidly, straining testing supplies ahead of the year-end holidays.
Sadly, I think you really believe that. The cat is out of the bag now.
"The reason is that with the sheer volume of new cases that we are having and that we expect to continue with Omicron, one of the things we want to be careful of is that we don't have so many people out," Dr. Anthony Fauci explains why CDC changed Covid isolation guidelines.
Delta asks CDC to cut quarantine guidelines for breakthrough Covid, citing workforce impact
The letter comes as Covid cases spike and the omicron variant spreads rapidly, straining testing supplies ahead of the year-end holidays.www.cnbc.com
Nothing in that article contradicts what I said.
The science didn't change 3-4 weeks ago. All that changed was that businesses started feeling the strain from so many workers being out for 10 days. How do you not see that?
I see cause and effect.
Omicron originated in early November, blazed a path through South Africa and then more or less burned itself out by the first week or so of December. So by early December CDC realized that omicron wasn't going to need the same constraints bc it was relatively mild and resolved quickly...and since omicron is 89% of the current cases (I think I recall that #, it was high, need to go find the stat for sure)...they realized there was no reason to shut the country down again over it....and they changed policy. This is simple, to me.
Oh, there is definitely cause and effect:
Omicron hits airline crews and sparks hundreds of holiday flight cancellations
Airlines have cancelled hundreds of flights since Christmas Eve as more employees test positive for Covid-19.
Oh, there is definitely cause and effect:
Omicron hits airline crews and sparks hundreds of holiday flight cancellations
Airlines have cancelled hundreds of flights since Christmas Eve as more employees test positive for Covid-19.
You seek to find subterfuge; I look for logical progression. Only difference.
LOL what do you think you're saying here? Once again, you see conspiracy. It's all about paradigm.
Another perfect example of the CDC still not knowing what is going on. CDC should not say much until they actually have verifiable information.
I’m saying that it’s BS that the science has changed with a new variant that only accounted for 22.5% of COVID cases last week. That big business can’t afford to have workers out for 10 days, and the CDC changed their guidance based on absolutely zero new information. And that 10 days was always too long, and now we have confirmation of that.
There was a Federal solution when Trump was president, but not when Joe is president. - derp. Trump got hit with an unprecedented total surprise, Joe had a years head-start and everything he needed. Joe's death-count is higher than Trump's. If Joe can say "no one saw this coming" and get a pass, surely you'd say the same for Trump. Trump also had to fight the Fauci/Birx CDC WHO Media and NIH backdoor scheming, while Joe had their full cooperation and messaging.
It was poor leadership when he fought with Republican governors for the past year, praised Democrat Governors who literally condemned the elderly to death, then admitted the Republican Governors were right.
When Trump did Ol' Joe a favor, and spoke about taking the vaccines, Dan and 00 ripped him for 'selling out his cult'. So much for 'ideology' and more for individual self-preservation.
When Joe decided to force people into taking a shot or losing their jobs, taking a shot or being exiled from society, taking a shot or being confined to house arrest, via illegal mandates and forced compliance to businesses, that was a failure of leadership because it relied on authoritarian use of office and not actual leadership.
I'm not sure which is worse, Joe's surrender to Covid or his surrender to the Taliban in Afghanistan, but both are absolute examples of Joe's leadershit .. and not real leadership.
The point I was making was that all of the other variants don't INSTANTLY disappear when a new one pops up. Eventually, the new one usually becomes dominant, but it's not instantaneously. When they set policy based on a single variant, it doesn't reflect the reality and take into account that there will be people with Delta and other variants who are back in the mix in 5 days.
I get what you were saying, but the "science" didn't change 3-4 weeks ago, and they failed to react in a timely manner. This change in guidance seems to solely be about economics, and the HUGE impact it has on companies when so many employees have all of these two week vacations. Hence the move from 14, to 10 days, and now to 5. Is 5 really enough to retard spread of the disease??? Well, we're about to find out, but IMHO, this could be a VERY good thing for other reasons.
Man I wish I had that ability to get into someone's head and know exactly what they are thinking (sarcasm)...LOL
Just remember, THE SCIENCE changed:
www.cnn.com
Omicron is messing with the economic recovery
Thousands of flights canceled. Back-to-the-office plans shelved. College football bowl games and Broadway shows called off. Shuttered Apple stores in New York City.
www.cnn.com
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