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  1. Bassman

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    Objection Your Honor, assumes facts not in the record.

    You don't want to understand, you want to dictate the terms of the discussion without regard to the facts on the ground.

    If - in fact - armed groups literally seized and controlled this area - yes, it would be problematic.

    But they haven't.
     
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    More humor?
     
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    So one can declare themselves autonomous? WOW. That's new law to me. Please update me on this fundamental, earth shattering change in our way of life.

    You mean these "sovereign citizens" are RIGHT? Gummint doesn't control them? Who knew?

    I can say my house is no longer a part of the US. I can post a sign in the yard that says it. I can walk around in my yard with my AR and body armor and declare that this is BASSLAND, US get out!

    And I won't be autonomous and people will laugh.
     
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    Hmmm. Interesting.
     
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    Got it. So you take exception with me for “dictating the terms of the discussion” while you attempt to “dictate the terms of the discussion”.
    I didn’t label the area “autonomous”. They did. I didn’t use police barriers to control traffic flow in the area, they did.
    You seem to ha e an issue with the protestors, not me.

    so to be clear, you’re good with what the protestors in that area have set up and how they are handing it? That’s a simple question.
     
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    I'm not protesting. I don't think it's bothersome.

    Yet.
     
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    This is odd for you who I find to usually be a reasonable guy. you asked me “who says they do or says they believe they do?”

    I answered your question and then you start talking about law. Do you think any of what is going on there is an example of people functioning within the law? Do you believe that because it’s against the law that it can’t happen?
    I’ll ask again, are you in favor of what’s happening in that “autonomous zone”?
     
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    Tough crowd.
     
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    I’m assuming you meant “I don’t think it’s bothersome”
    I’ll admit, that’s surprising to me.
     
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    Heh.... he's got a point. @rthomas14 -- this is humor also!

     
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    Capitol Hill in Seattle is a roughly 20x25 block area. One portion of it is "barricaded off" with barricades that 2 or 3 people together can move. Pedestrian and bicycle traffic is unimpeded. Stores are open.

    Perspective.
     
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    If there are any sympathetic souls with an ounce of humanity left, please help these patriots,
     
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    You obviously haven't heard of Chicago, or south LA.
     
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    Some of the details are on fox news. It is actually pretty funny. There demands as simple. The mayor either agrees to defund the entire police department or she steps down. And the police have agreed to respond to 911 calls only.
     
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    Serious question, Do you believe there would be pedestrian traffic or stores would be open if the protesters in the area weren’t in favor of it? In other words, do you find those things to be evidence that the area isn’t controlled by the protesters? The barriers you say can be moved by 2 or three people are the same barriers the police use to “control” an area. Do you think because they are movable they aren’t affective traffic control devices?
    Perspective is a great word in this case. I have been 100% clear here that I believe systemic racism exists. I’ve been in a couple of knock down drag outs about it. What happened in Minneapolis has to be stopped but even more so, the events that don’t end in a death but are far more prevalent. It’s not just police. I believe change has to start with the church (personal perspective) As Dr. Robert Smith has said, we don’t have a skin problem. We have a sin problem. It’s rooted in ignorance and fear and it’s been built through generation. I’m encouraged that my kids took to what we taught them and they don’t view the world through the filter of melanin. I’m confident their children won’t either and that’s positive change. Generational change.
    I also 100% understand the protests. Again, this isn’t a black problem. It’s an American problem. It’s a heart problem. When I I ask for my wife’s help and she doesn’t hear me, I ask louder. Protesting is the result of not being heard and asking for help, louder. That being said, I never throw her clothes out into yard or set her car on fire to get her attention. There are limits. You mentioned laws earlier. Civil disobedience is meant to work outside the law. To count the cost of breaking the law to prove a point. It does include the word “civil” though. Look at the photos out of Seattle that you described as “not bothersome” and show me the civility in them.

    Monday night a woman involved in the protests said that “black men can’t be the leaders of this. An LGBTQ woman of color has to be the leader.” Aren’t we protesting the killing of a “black man”? As you said, perspective. It’s a wonderful thing. Another word that’s important is agendas. Lots and lots of people on both sides of these protests (if it were about George Floyd there shouldn’t be sides) have lots and lots of agendas.

    change has to happen, but to get there, we can’t draw our political lines and be intellectually dishonest. We have to be real and have real conversations. I admit “Paramilitary” & “seize” are not part of an honest discussion. “Not bothersome” seems to fall short as well. “Air strikes” is stupid. So is “sorry you’re afraid of ANTIFA”.

    feel free to try and paint me in any way you like, but I’ll stand behind my honesty on this board and my willingness to confront “wrong” no matter which side is offering it.
     
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    I probably wouldn't have responded at all had it not been for the total mis-characterization of what is occurring on the front end of this post by OP and others. Sure we need to have conversations and we need to avoid sowing further divisions.
     
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    Cool, but you did respond and then dug you’re heels in while talking with me to the point of saying “it’s not bothersome”. I’m not Opie or others. I haven’t offered a single thing Itt that is t based in fact.
     
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    Yep, which is 100% true. I can’t imagine how you can even begin to suggest it isn’t.
    They are a group of people - check
    Among that group are people with guns - check

    Was the ridiculous group at the Michigan capital an “armed group”? Of course they were. Was everyone there armed? Of course they weren’t.
    How many weapons have to be present for a group to be “armed”? I seriously don’t get your argument here.
     
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    You are so funny. I guess you could call them mostly unarmed and somewhat armed. Would that be better for you?
     
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    Ok, so that I’m not engaging in “tremendous mental gymnastics” please educate me. In a group of 100 people, how many of them need to be carrying weapons for that group to be characterized as “armed”?
    Headline with this photo is,
    Leader of Fishtown group armed with bats, explains...
    [​IMG]
    Is the headline wrong?
     
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    So is that a yes or no? I appreciate your attempt to muddy the water but at least answer the question.
    To your point, you feel free to refer to America however you wish. If you are so wrapped around the axel of semantics that you Are unwilling or unable to be reasonable, that’s a you thing. Good luck with that.
     
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    So, I guess I’m just missing your answer. I’m sure it’s there. I can’t imagine you would still be attempting to deflect and avoid.
    What I’m completely willing to do is state the truth. A group that includes people with weapons is an armed group.
    It seems as though you’re completely Willing to be transparently disingenuous to try and support your point no matter how flawed it may be.
     
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    So was that a yes or no?
    Let me ask again so you can remember the question.
    Headline with this photo is,
    Leader of Fishtown group armed with bats, explains...
    [​IMG]
    Is the headline wrong?

    I find your take on this to be fascinating and as symptomatic of our issues as the foolishness @Eagle was calling “humor”.

    you would rather dig your heels in about whether a group carrying guns is “armed” than seriously discuss their bigger issue of what’s going on in our country.

    amazing, really.
     
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    Nope no issues with that statement as I agree there are racist of all colors and backgrounds all over this nation. Of course I also believe we are an armed society although I do recognize not all people believe in being armed just as not all people are racist.
     
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    So you just refuse to simply answer the question? What are you scared of? It’s an easy question.
    You don’t have to “assume” anything. I’ve already answered your question (see how that works?) but let me do so a second time. You are welcome to refer to the group in anyway you wish. It has no impact on me at all. That being said, armed means - equipped with or carrying a weapon or weapons.
    This group meets that definition. There’s no way around that, but again, you define this group or America or anything else, however you wish if it makes you feel better.
     
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    Ummm, for a few hours now, we have been discussing a “group”. Now you’re New attempt to change the narrative is that I am somehow “referring to them as a single entity”? The same “single entity” you have referred to throughout this conversation? Yikes...

    oh yeah, the question. Why are you scared to answer it? Your refusal has become laughable.
     
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    All right I’ll be serious.

    I think one of our bigger problems is people’s inability to laugh and enjoy their day. Everything is so serious, so literal, so offensive to someone... We have a victimization mentality, people looking to get offended at everything they can.

    I mock those people, openly
     
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    Your fear of a simple question is both telling embarrassing.
    So your latest deflection, like the others, failed. I guess you’re out of ideas so now it’s time to resort to insults? How Bunker of you.

    Sorry I don’t play by the silly rules that you and the aids board gang like to play. I’m just interested in truth and honest discussion. That appears to be too much for you. It wasn’t my intent to paint you into such an embarrassing corner. I apologize.
     
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    Well, I enjoy every single day I’ve been given. I would be so bold as to say, there are an extremely few here that enjoy life more than do I.
    The fact that you think our conversation has anything to do with victimization or being offended speaks to a lack of awareness of what we are discussing but if it makes you feel good about yourself, cool.
    Nothing funnier that a suggestion that American citizens should be carpet bombed. That’s some “enjoy your day” kinda stuff right there.
     
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    Man you sound like a hilarious guy to be around, I’ll admit. And I guess you missed the part about 1)pull the people out and 2)Antifa declaring themselves an independent nation.

    Nothing like making a pointless argument huh? You Musta lost the point with that great sense of humor.
     
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    Debate? You've embarrassed yourself by refusing to answer a simple question. You don’t seem to be up for a debate. Again, I do apologize for putting you in such an untenable position. I actually just wanted an answer. I had no idea of the lengths you would go to avoid doing so.
     
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    No question that my sense of humor is where the issue lies in this discussion.
    As far as the value in making pointless arguments, I’ll have to bow to your expertise.
     
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    Oh my...
    Let me ask again:
    Headline with this photo is,
    Leader of Fishtown group armed with bats, explains...
    [​IMG]
    Is the headline wrong?
     
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    Headline with this photo is,
    Leader of Fishtown group armed with bats, explains...
    [​IMG]
    Is the headline wrong?
     
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    Headline with this photo is,
    Leader of Fishtown group armed with bats, explains...
    [​IMG]
    Is the headline wrong?
     
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    You know what, sint your fear of answering a simple question is palpable, I’ll go ahead and destroy your latest straw man.
    You mention “sweeping generalities”. You and I have been discussing a group. As you labelled it in one of your previous diversion attempts, a “single entity”. There ate no “Sweeping generalities” of a single entity. If I were to say, “the members of the group were armed” then I would be speaking in generalities and making a false statement. When speaking of a group (which we both have done since the beginning of the discussion) it is a 100% true statement to say the group was armed. There’s no way around that. So to answer your question one more time, I don’t speak in generalities. I speak in truths which is exactly what I’ve done here.
    Seriously, why are you so scared to answer a question. You always seem so aggressive and sure of yourself when I read your posts. Why the fear today?

    Headline with this photo is,
    Leader of Fishtown group armed with bats, explains...
    [​IMG]
    Is the headline wrong?
     
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    You mean the single group you’ve referred to all day?
    So is your normal practice when your embarrassed to then just go into troll mode to try and hide your embarrassment? It’s really sad. I’ve never seen you so rattled.

    Headline with this photo is,
    Leader of Fishtown group armed with bats, explains...
    [​IMG]
    Is the headline wrong?
     
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    I think the best part of all of this is that you’re just another of one the sheeple that can’t deal with anyone who doesn’t walk in lockstep with their every view on the world. Who is so stiff necked that they don’t have the ability to reason and when confronted with a question that challenges their ideas, they grasp at any and every straw they can to avoid the truth.

    it’s both humorous and sad.
     
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    Technically..yes. Should read "armed with bats and cigs".

    I can't believe I just read this entire thread. You two argued literally all day over this. Y'all took ricing to a whole nother level.
     
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    But but but someone on facebook/OAN told me the ANTIFAs had declared independence and were executing every white person who refused to swear loyalty to SOROS!
     

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