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CROCKY POOOOOO, pleeeeze don't lizzzztin to COACH!!!!!!So pretty much is we ban ghey sects, soccer will be gone within 2 years?
Sure--we all have to coexist with people who do stupid and wreckless things. Grate jobGood point. You can ask me to do more, but I don't have to comply.
Pretending to be this stupid is a stupid look. You understand exactly what happened. Faucci and the CDC have been consistent on mask wearing since April of 2020 when the guidance changed.Can you please help all of us figure which statements made by "experts" are lies and we should just ignore?
TIA
i used to play club soccer with a kid from john carrol, he would stick his arms through his shorts and run around in circles at the other team. we scored at least 5 or 6 goals cuz of him!CROCKY POOOOOO, pleeeeze don't lizzzztin to COACH!!!!!!
I hope all hiz GRANDCHILDREN PLAY SOCKER FOR JOHN CARROLL and hiz wife MAKES HIZ AZZ GO TO ERRRY DAYUM GAME!!!
@crococile22
All I've done since this whole thing started was think and evaluate. Which is why I'm not cowering in fear of a virus that is basically no risk for me or my family. I haven't missed a day of work. I haven't stopped hanging out with my friends and family. I will not stop living my life. But I will wear a mask and social distance when I need to.They absolutely lied. Surely this isn't the first time you have heard a government official lie? But just because they lied about it doesn't mean you completely abandon any semblance of reason and that every single other thing they say is a lie. Like with everything else in life, you have to think and evaluate. The basic precautions of masking and social distancing in public are not rocket science.
Nah, it wasn't nuance. Fauci lied. The surgeon general lied. They knew they were lying. They were lying for a purpose. They didn't want people rushing out and buying and hoarding all the PPE needed by medical professionals. It is understandable why this would be a concern and it is understandable why they might think lying about it was the only way to limit the damage, but it was still straight up lying. However, I agree that people now are just using that as an excuse. I can understand not trusting that Fauci and the bureaucrats aren't lying about other stuff, but just because we know they were lying doesn't mean we can't understand the very simple concept that masks and social distancing help prevent infection. It doesn't even take a lot of science or rational thought to understand why they help either.Well it was more nuanced than that about what Faucci said, and anyone with any sense could and should have known it was a fluid situation that could change. And, the bigger point was that was said last Feb/March and was revised many times and a long, long time ago and that didn't change the minds of the die hards. Using what was said that long ago is an excuse and justification for people who just want to do what they want to do regardless of the risks to others.
Sure. Thinking that the President can't do and say things to guide the public through a public health crisis in a responsible manner is mind boggling. Is that really where we are? Has the bar been lowered that much?
Agree to disagree on the first part and to agree on the second partNah, it wasn't nuance. Fauci lied. The surgeon general lied. They knew they were lying. They were lying for a purpose. They didn't want people rushing out and buying and hoarding all the PPE needed by medical professionals. It is understandable why this would be a concern and it is understandable why they might think lying about it was the only way to limit the damage, but it was still straight up lying. However, I agree that people now are just using that as an excuse. I can understand not trusting that Fauci and the bureaucrats aren't lying about other stuff, but just because we know they were lying doesn't mean we can't understand the very simple concept that masks and social distancing help prevent infection. It doesn't even take a lot of science or rational thought to understand why they help either.
Good grief.News flash...there are tons of out there who won’t know what the President said because they don’t watch and they don’t care. I’ve never changed my opinion or ways of doing things just because the government tells me to. In fact, I’d say it makes it worse when some government official goes on TV and tells everyone what they “should do” and then that person proceeds to live their own lives normally (eating in a restaurant after shutting others down is just one example).
Good grief.
Link for where Faucci admitted was he said was a "lie"?
And Fauci lied to manipulate people so you can understand why people would question him going forward.
Yeah, I understand that masks have never been recommended by Fauxci or the CDC for respiratory viruses, which is why they said that in Feb/Mar. And yet, here we are, all wearing cloth diapers on our airholes in hopes that we don't spread the virus to someone while we pass them in the aisle at the grocery store.Pretending to be this stupid is a stupid look. You understand exactly what happened. Faucci and the CDC have been consistent on mask wearing since April of 2020 when the guidance changed.
Ok we can compare the exact words he said (masks don't provide "perfect protection" and might catch droplets but might not be effective because it makes people touch their faces a lot--all spoken before we knew much about asymptomatic transfer and that transfer by touching things is not a big factor) and argue about "lying" or not but what the hell difference does it make? All of that was cleared up last April and there has been no conflicting advice since then. What possible impact has a TV interview from March 2020 had for the last 9 months?Fauci Explains Why Public Wasn't Told to Wear Masks When Pandemic Began
Dr. Anthony Fauci explains the purpose of masks and why the American public wasn't immediately told to wear masks when the coronavirus pandemic first took hold in the U.S.www.thestreet.com
So, why weren't we told to wear masks in the beginning?
"Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply. And we wanted to make sure that the people namely, the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected."
I mean, I understand why he lied, but he still lied.
People are like FAUCI MADE A MISTAKE ABOUT A NOVEL PANDEMIC no shit sherlock. No one has ever dealt with this thing before! I'm sorry that they didn't tell you everything perfectly the first time. Complex problems require nuanced thinking. Here's what we should do:Link for where Faucci admitted was he said was a "lie"?
None? You asked for a link showing that he knew what he initially said about masks was a lie. I provided it. That's all.What possible impact has a TV interview from March 2020 had for the last 9 months?
Same here. I haven't missed a day of work either. Almost all of that work has been in the office, where we are deemed essential, though I have worked from home a couple of weeks, partly because the company sent folks home at times. I even go out and eat inside restaurants since they opened back up. Of course I wear a mask in public and stay away from people and wash my hands often. I haven't completely stopped hanging out with friends and family, but have been very cautious about that. I have resumed having a regular meal with a couple of guys, one of whom already has had the virus. We mask and distance. My church has resumed in-person services for a few months, but we attend online instead. It isn't ideal, but times are not ideal. I oppose the government preventing people from gathering to worship, but I am glad I have the option to do it remotely.All I've done since this whole thing started was think and evaluate. Which is why I'm not cowering in fear of a virus that is basically no risk for me or my family. I haven't missed a day of work. I haven't stopped hanging out with my friends and family. I will not stop living my life. But I will wear a mask and social distance when I need to.
You do realize that you can’t compare deaths to total population in order to draw conclusions about how deadly a virus really is, correct?I suggest all of us go back and review history to put this into context. In October of 1918, 200,000 Americans died in one month of the Spanish Flu. The population of the US at that time was around 103 million. All in all 0.5% of the American population in 1918 ended up dying of the Spanish Flu. In 1957, the flu killed 116,000 Americans after coming from Hong Kong. Our population at that time was 172 million. All in all 0.06% of Americans died of the 1957 flu. The 1968 flu ravaged the 65 and older population in the US. Over 100,000 Americans were killed. The US population in 1968 was 200 million. All in all 0.05% of Americans were killed. In 2009, H1N1 hit America with no immunity or vaccine. Far less deadly, except to children, we had existing antivirals that worked very well and kept the death toll to 12,000 Americans. However, 60.8 million Americans contracted H1N1. In short, we dodged a major bullet. The vaccine roll-out was completely botched. The US population in 2009 was 306 million. All in all 0.004% of Americans were killed. In 2020, we have COVID-19. No existing antivirals, no immunity and no starting point with a vaccine at all. Projections show that about 320,000 Americans will die due to complications from this virus. There are 331 million people in the US in 2020. All in all 0.09% of Americans are projected to die from COVID-19 complications. Just the facts. You decide what it all means.
Not attempting to make that comparison at all. Just providing some context of deaths per overall population which does provide some level of measure. I am happy to get into real statistics if you would like. However, I do not think it is necessary to prove the point that we have been in these situations before and we all survived and thrived.You do realize that you can’t compare deaths to total population in order to draw conclusions about how deadly a virus really is, correct?
If you want to make that argument you compare total infections to total deaths.
The interview was in March and nothing you provided indicates Dr. F "knew" he was "lying" about it. You could make a more compelling argument that he was mistaken about the impacts of masks and should have known more/better, even though the virus was novel, which is much more accurate..but that wouldn't generate the kind of outrage toward him that you are looking for.None? You asked for a link showing that he knew what he initially said about masks was a lie. I provided it. That's all.
Edit: And the interview was done in June.
Oh--THAT was the point? I don' t think anyone thinks or has said that Covid is going to wipe out the population to the point that we won't survive or "thrive" once we contain it.Not attempting to make that comparison at all. Just providing some context of deaths per overall population which does provide some level of measure. I am happy to get into real statistics if you would like. However, I do not think it is necessary to prove the point that we have been in these situations before and we all survived and thrived.
CROCKY POOOOOO, pleeeeze don't lizzzztin to COACH!!!!!!
I hope all hiz GRANDCHILDREN PLAY SOCKER FOR JOHN CARROLL and hiz wife MAKES HIZ AZZ GO TO ERRRY DAYUM GAME!!!
@crococile22
Of course we will, anyone who suggests otherwise is being extreme. Doesn’t mean we can’t all make small, personal sacrifices for the greater good in the meantime.Not attempting to make that comparison at all. Just providing some context of deaths per overall population which does provide some level of measure. I am happy to get into real statistics if you would like. However, I do not think it is necessary to prove the point that we have been in these situations before and we all survived and thrived.
why can't you?...is infectivity not a reasonable part of the equation when dealing with how deadly a virus is...You do realize that you can’t compare deaths to total population in order to draw conclusions about how deadly a virus really is, correct?
If you want to make that argument you compare total infections to total deaths.
No. For instance, Ebola is an incredibly deadly virus with a much different mode of spread that has thankfully allowed us to prevent any major outbreaks. Next question.why can't you?...is infectivity not a reasonable part of the equation when dealing with how deadly a virus is...
well....since its not as infectious that makes it less likely to kill as many people, that is what I consider less deadly to a population, not just to the ones it infects.....all depends on your definitionNo. For instance, Ebola is an incredibly deadly virus with a much different mode of spread that has thankfully allowed us to prevent any major outbreaks. Next question.
So “the definition that fits my narrative” versus the actual definition. Gotcha.well....since its not as infectious that makes it less likely to kill as many people, that is what I consider less deadly to a population, not just to the ones it infects.....all depends on your definition
If both were released into the population which would kill the most people?.....So “the definition that fits my narrative” versus the actual definition. Gotcha.
If released and left to run their course Ebola by a landslide.If both were released into the population which would kill the most people?.....
so ability to contain outbreaks does not factor into the deadliness of a virus...ok...fair enoughIf released and left to run their course Ebola by a landslide.
I’m sorry you’re having such a hard time grasping such a simple concept. I really feel for you. Everyone can’t be smart, it’s just a fact of life.
No, it doesn’t. If a virus is deadly, it’s deadly.so ability to contain outbreaks does not factor into the deadliness of a virus...ok...fair enough
he's arguing the former and I the latterAre you two arguing over how deadly something is to an individual or how many people are expected to die from the disease?
Because obviously how infectious it is has little to do with the former and is a major part of the latter
he's arguing the former and I the latter
Oh--THAT was the point? I don' t think anyone thinks or has said that Covid is going to wipe out the population to the point that we won't survive or "thrive" once we contain it.