You GFYO - asshole. They have treatments already. I’m sorry they don’t cost an arm and a leg but they exist. You can go to you hell - though I’m sure you expect to - ****er
vaccinations--ICU covid nurse
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I’m good. I’m sure you can find some dude to give you that satisfaction
You shoukd ask @mrhickory what treatments work that’s not being used in his hospital. Then ask him if any work better than the vaccine at keeping people alive and out of the hospital.
You’re pathetic. The hospitals are not using what works. Vaccinated status doesn’t matter. I’m sure they didn’t give him 25 hydroxy Vitamin D, or ivermectin, or other things. There’s plenty you can give or take that unless you have a serious comorbidity can prevent ever having to go. Studies show that those with low vitamin d are far more likely to have a hard time and require hospitalization. They have found over the counter famotadine works, Ivermectin, hydroxychlorquine, there’s tons of stuff.
the vaccine are shit. They don’t work and appear to be causing ADE. Eventually they’re going to cause an escape variant. Those with the vaccine are super spreaders. You assholes are the source of the problem.
We’ve known vitamin D was a key…this has been a mainstay of treatment since April of 2020. We have been using famotidine as well since April of 2020. We used HCQ but couldn’t show any benefit so it was stopped.
We have had over 800 cases in the last 6 weeks admitted on our coast hospitals with no evidence of ADE. The delta variant evolved in an unvaccinated population in India in November of 2020 (when less than 1% of the world was vaccinated).
We admit many that have taken ivermectin since diagnosis (or even as a prophylactic) that does not seem to change their rate of decline once they reach the hospital.
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#tidnif
Isn't it more accurate to simply say that Delta developed in the world population? There was no vaccinated and unvaccinated population at the time, so it seems biased and somewhat spun to play the blame game by labeling it as developing in "an unvaccinated population", right? (I.e., if we're being fair and objective).
IMHO, with treatments like Ivermectin, we have to look beyond your experience alone. Even if it helps a HIGH percentage if administered early on, we could still end up with a false negative, specious conclusion if we restrict the observation only to the cases that end up in the hospital.
For example, if it helps 80% of the people who take it early on, and they get better, so you never see them in the hospital. Then, the other 20% that it doesn't help, get worse, and end up hospitalized or dead, and the faulty conclusion is drawn that it "does not seem to change their rate of decline once they reach the hospital", so it's summarily dismissed as not showing any benefit because the study or observation was flawed. IMHO, we've made too many mistakes like that during this entire pandemic from the start until the present. The agenda and extremely biased narrative has led to our best and brightest making too many basic mistakes and doing really bad science at times.
Isn't it more accurate to simply say that Delta developed in the world population? There was no vaccinated and unvaccinated population at the time, so it seems biased and somewhat spun to play the blame game by labeling it as developing in "an unvaccinated population", right? (I.e., if we're being fair and objective).
IMHO, with treatments like Ivermectin, we have to look beyond your experience alone. Even if it helps a HIGH percentage if administered early on, we could still end up with a false negative, specious conclusion if we restrict the observation only to the cases that end up in the hospital.
For example, if it helps 80% of the people who take it early on, and they get better, so you never see them in the hospital. Then, the other 20% that it doesn't help, get worse, and end up hospitalized or dead, and the faulty conclusion is drawn that it "does not seem to change their rate of decline once they reach the hospital", so it's summarily dismissed as not showing any benefit because the study or observation was flawed. IMHO, we've made too many mistakes like that during this entire pandemic from the start until the present. The agenda and extremely biased narrative has led to our best and brightest making too many basic mistakes and doing really bad science at times.
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Because I was replying to him and there has been the implication that delta evolved as a result of vaccinations among anti-vaxxers. While you may know this, I have a feeling that he doesn’t. So, yes it evolved from a specific unvaccinated population in India. It wasn’t the world population at that time. Of the less than 1% who were vaccinated, literally none of that population was. Just combating the misinformation of delta being a result of vaccines (which I’m almost positive he believes by his post).
Also, I haven’t made any definitive statements regarding outpatient treatment with Ivermectin. In fact, I was the first to ever bring this up as a possible treatment in May 2020. However, in vivo, it was near impossible to get to the concentration needed to treat without side effects. By the time they reach me now, it doesn’t make a difference. I have said to await the studies on an outpatient basis.
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For someone who is really conflicted and prefers being educated before making a decision on taking an experimental vaccine that only covers me for 3-6 months. I have a couple questions if you don’t mind. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable and not an asshole like some of our brethren.
Our hospitals (and especially our ICUs) are filled with the unvaccinated. We have averaged between 0-1 vaccinated in ICU for the last 6 weeks.
1. Mississippi is where I’m assuming Oschner health is.. The vaccination rate in MS is 37%. Do you not think that by the law of averages that you would see more unvaccinated than vaccinated as hospitalizationAnd if you drilled down to the coastal area would the vaccination rate shrink even more? (From what I’ve read yes..) The point I’m making is do you not think this is has to do with your sampling and probability. Similar to many southern states. I also would conclude that you work/live in one of the most unhealthy states in America. Highest in cardiovascular deaths, heart disease, stroke, hypertension, and near the top for diabetes, cope, obesity and many other related high risk issues.
Harrison County 3.2 out 10 vaxxed
Jackson County 3.1 out 10 vaxxed
Obviously, around 26% to 27% deviation favoring vaccination.
Vaccinated rates are increasing.. I guess a good thing from your point of view. We will see how the curve moves..
2. Why do healthcare professionals not track comorbidities or also use that in these graphics. Does it make the case less effective? 83.3% of people who die from Covid have a preexisting comorbidity. Why do they mark those as deaths from Covid?
Lastly, the young lady in the video did state multiple accuracies. One being that Australia and Israel are seeing significant rise in breakthrough cases including hospitalization. Also, if you look at Vermont (the highest vaccinated state in the US) at the beginning of the month saw a 112% increase from the last week of July to the first week of August in breakthrough case infections. They have not updated those numbers again as they do them in two week windows. The next update should be on 8/27.
You’ve proven nothing asshole. You can make numbers say whatever you want. 40% of hospitalization in Israel is among the vaccinated dipshit
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If you wait too long to use these early therapeutics The cytokine storm has generally take over and the patients are on a sharp decline. My point is these things have shown efficacy when used early.
****sticks like stump want to say only use the vaccine - if you get covid - which many of even the vaccinated have - then I guess in his myopic delusional world you’re just shit out of luck. What this idiot doesn’t want to acknowledge to the detriment of many - There is plenty that can be to avoid hospitalization unrelated to the vaccine.
I have read where ADE may not be present but vaccine enhanced disease has been noted. Dr. Malone has discussed this. I hope it doesn’t end up being that but the risk is there. We just don’t know given this technology.
There is zero risk to using ivermectin in early treatment. The smear campaign against it by idiots like stump is baseless and totally unwarranted. For human dosage it’s safer than most anything you can get over the counter. Why deny people access to it - most doctors I’ve heard are telling people to isolate and go to the hospital is it gets too bad. That’s malpractice in my opinion.
Why do you throw around the slur “anti-vaxer”? It does nothing to promote your argument and is frankly factually wrong. Not wanting to take this vaccine does not make one an anti-vaxer. It’s libel frankly. I’ve had all of my vaccines but I have concerns with this technology and am willing to accept the risk Associated with covid. I’ve not seen any studies addressing myocarditis and mytro valve prolapse or the impact of the mRNA technology. There are no other licensed vaccines which have used this technology. No data. I would probably take the Novavax or even the sinovax because those are traditional vaccine technologies that have proven to be safe. I do not understand why they are not available here so those who do not trust this mRNA therapy vaccine can have another option. You would think they would if their goal is to get everyone vaccinated.
Israel is one the most vaccinated countries in the world - all with your precious Pfizer.
As for the UK
“See Table 5 of this UK technical briefing document (p18-19) Raw data (uncorrected for confounding issues, see p19) demonstrate that 402/742 ER cases of delta were fully vaxxed (54%), 253/742 ER cases were unvaxxed (34%). So much for this being only 1% vax”
https://t.co/PGK45A7L3v?amp=1
Lol. Both countries are doing great compared to us. Look at their total numbers. UK is doing better most likely because they had more time in between shots unlike Israel. They also had a lot of moderna.
Israel:
Israeli data: How can efficacy vs. severe disease be strong when 60% of hospitalized are vaccinated?
A surge involving the rapidly-transmitting Delta variant in heavily vaccinated countries has led to much hand-wringing that the vaccines are not effective against Delta, or vaccine effectivenss wanes after 4-6 months. This has fueled anti-vaccine sentiment suggesting the vaccines are not...
www.covid-datascience.com
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It's actually not ... barely in the top 1/4 in the world as of this date ... and that's not saying much given the lack of vaccine accessibility.
Yet, they have less than 10% of the hospitalizations they had in their biggest surge pre-vaccine even though daily cases are at the same level. That shows vaccines working vs severe disease, hospitalizations and death.
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