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[joshthecat55]

NC State traveling parties limited to vaccinated players, coaches, staff

The traveling parties for NC State Athletics' programs this fall will be limited to vaccinated players, coaches and staff, or those with exceptions from the university's Office for Institutional Equity and Diversity.

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[NotAiO]

I am okay with forfeiting games if that is the cost of individuals freedom's.

 

[joshthecat55]

I am okay with forfeiting games if that is the cost of individuals freedom's.

Your freedoms can let you play for another team,or find another job,or pay for your insurance ..

 

[Billy Baroo]

Your freedoms can let you play for another team,or find another job,or pay for your insurance ..

Well yes sir comrade.

 

[Hobbes227]

I am not pro or anti vaccine but I am pro individual freedom

 

[Tigerette84]

NC State traveling parties limited to vaccinated players, coaches, staff

The traveling parties for NC State Athletics' programs this fall will be limited to vaccinated players, coaches and staff, or those with exceptions from the university's Office for Institutional Equity and Diversity.

247sports.com

So when people who are vaccinated continue to test positive and continue to catch the virus, what is your answer then? Because that is going to continue to happen, and in fact increase. And to claim that vaccinations prevent infection or being contagious is a lie. Dumbasses like Goodman need to be forced to admit this or have it beaten into their skull.

 

[NotAiO]

Your freedoms can let you play for another team,or find another job,or pay for your insurance ..

I will never require it for my employees.

 

[00aubie]

I am not pro or anti vaccine but I am pro individual freedom

Is playing a scholarship sport at the collegiate level a right or privilege?

 

[Stumpfan]

So when people who are vaccinated continue to test positive and continue to catch the virus, what is your answer then? Because that is going to continue to happen, and in fact increase. And to claim that vaccinations prevent infection or being contagious is a lie. Dumbasses like Goodman need to be forced to admit this or have it beaten into their skull.

It keeps most out of the hospital and the morgue. It also lessens your chances of catching Covid and then passing it on.

 

[jrodb24]

i just took ANOTHER patient to ICU. every single one of them have been unvaccinated.

 

[NotAiO]

It keeps most out of the hospital and the morgue. It also lessens your chances of catching Covid and then passing it on.

That is the popular opinion but not clinically proven on portions of your post.

 

[Stumpfan]

That is the popular opinion but not clinically proven on portions of your post.

All of that has been proven.

 

[The Gorgeous Randy Flamethrower]

I am not pro or anti vaccine but I am pro individual freedom

They have the individual freedom not to get vaxed

but it may cost them

 

[NotAiO]

They have the individual freedom not to get vaxed

but it may cost them

Thats the problem

 

[NotAiO]

All of that has been proven.

I will be interested in the longitudinal data.

 

[The Gorgeous Randy Flamethrower]

Thats the problem

Why is that a problem? Are all rules infringements on your individual freedoms? Or are they guidelines to keep the majority safe?

 

[Stumpfan]

I will be interested in the longitudinal data.

I can’t wait for that when 90% have been vaccinated or has natural immunity. I think both are great against hospitalization and deaths and decent against infection. I’m guessing and hoping we will be there in 9-12 months.

 

[NotAiO]

Why is that a problem? Are all rules infringements on your individual freedoms? Or are they guidelines to keep the majority safe?

This is a novelization of the idea of the social contract. The whole idea of civilized society. Penalizing individuals based on short term data with no established long term context is not okay. The majority is already safe, this is in premise an act of protecting the minority. Many of which have not taken the last 20 months to protect themselves. Weight, eating habit etc have been established as co factors and yet behaviors have not been changed.

 

[Tigerette84]

It keeps most out of the hospital and the morgue. It also lessens your chances of catching Covid and then passing it on.

But that is not what is being sold, and you know it. This is packaged as "The vaccine prevents any infections or any spreading". And that is a lie. People need to be told the truth. Since there hasn't been much of that recently, many people are -- justifiably --skeptical of anything they are told.

 

[Stumpfan]

But that is not what is being sold, and you know it. This is packaged as t
"The vaccine prevents any infections or any spreading". And that is a lie. People need to be told the truth. Since there hasn't been much of that recently, many people are -- justifiably --skeptical of anything they are told.

No, that was the story with alpha in the spring and before that in the winter because that was mostly the case. Breakthrough cases were very rare. Delta changed the entire game on top of antibodies waning as well. I do agree that morons can’t grasp the fact that variants and even facts around the vaccines like waning antibodies happen though.

 

[jrodb24]

This is a novelization of the idea of the social contract. The whole idea of civilized society. Penalizing individuals based on short term data with no established long term context is not okay. The majority is already safe, this is in premise an act of protecting the minority. Many of which have not taken the last 20 months to protect themselves. Weight, eating habit etc have been established as co factors and yet behaviors have not been changed.

death is pretty long term. is that enough context?

 

[NotAiO]

death is pretty long term. is that enough context?

Sure if you want to live on the principle of statistical outliers. Which no scientist or statistician would ever make a decision based on.

 

[au4life_rz]

NC State traveling parties limited to vaccinated players, coaches, staff

The traveling parties for NC State Athletics' programs this fall will be limited to vaccinated players, coaches and staff, or those with exceptions from the university's Office for Institutional Equity and Diversity.

247sports.com

It's a cowardly way to force kids to take a vaccine that while it's safe in the short term it's still experimental since we have ZERO data for the mid-term or long-term.

Since we have no data for the full life-cycle, it can no longer be considered a no-brainer decision since the risks go up quite a bit. Any time you don't have data, you cannot do proper science. If you can't do proper science you can't mandate, and you MUST let every individual decide for themselves.

Now, if they stop being surreptitious fraudsters, and develop a 3rd vaccine option based on the tried and true classical vaccine technology, it would become a no-brainer that you could mandate, (since we have decades of usage data, and we can scientifically guarantee that it's safe).

 

[au4life_rz]

Why is that a problem? Are all rules infringements on your individual freedoms? Or are they guidelines to keep the majority safe?

No, but when you are FORCING someone to take something into their bodies that carries a rather non-negligible, to significant risk, (i.e. it's experimental in important aspects), it's just wrong.

If it were the old vaccine technology that has been proven to be safe over the full life-cycle, then it'd be different, and you could mandate it to keep the majority safe. However, if it's experimental, and you can't pretty much guarantee it's safe, then it's DEAD WRONG to force someone to take it. It really is that simple.

 

[au4life_rz]

Why is that a problem? Are all rules infringements on your individual freedoms? Or are they guidelines to keep the majority safe?

Oh yeah. You must not be aware that we can still maintain significant viral load, and spread COVID when fully vaccinated. So there's no guarantee that we will ever be able to reach herd immunity and "keep the majority safe".

They're not telling everyone that, (because they want everyone to take the mRNA vaccines), but we're going to have to wait and see if we can actually reach herd immunity. That even further erodes folks arguments that it should be mandated.

 

[au4life_rz]

I can’t wait for that when 90% have been vaccinated or has natural immunity. I think both are great against hospitalization and deaths and decent against infection. I’m guessing and hoping we will be there in 9-12 months.

I can't wait either, though I find it interesting that the magic number/goalposts for herd immunity has been moved from 70%, to 80%, now 90%???

Let me ask you. Do you think it's guaranteed that we will be able to reach herd immunity?

 

[Stumpfan]

I can't wait either, though I find it interesting that the magic number/goalposts for herd immunity has been moved from 70%, to 80%, now 90%???

Let me ask you. Do you think it's guaranteed that we will be able to reach herd immunity?

Never said herd immunity. Think flu.

 

[au4life_rz]

No, that was the story with alpha in the spring and before that in the winter because that was mostly the case. Breakthrough cases were very rare. Delta changed the entire game on top of antibodies waning as well. I do agree that morons can’t grasp the fact that variants and even facts around the vaccines like waning antibodies happen though.

You are unbelievable. I spent all spring until present, writing hundreds of posts trying to warn you and others, telling you that you should NOT be making definitive statements and guarantees, and hard promises regarding the vaccines and what they would do, because science wasn't perfect, man isn't perfect, and that there were MANY variables were involved that could change, (i.e. we can't KNOW the future, especially with brand new technology).

Instead of considering if such warnings might contain some truth, you attacked me, called me all kinds of names, (anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist), and acted crazy, simply because I wouldn't turn off my brain and wildly lie, spin, promote, and manipulate people to take the new mRNA vaccine. Now, you have the nerve to use the EXACT THINGS I WAS pointing out to you, as excuses when all of the false promises made to us by the leading authorities and decision makers, didn't come true with the vaccines. It's despicable.

Over and again, I told you that since these vaccines were new, and that COVID was so weird, we couldn't possibly know what was going to happen FOR CERTAIN, and that we might get to down the road with this thing and find out that the previous predictions/expectations were wrong. Now, here we are, with you parroting what I'd said, as an excuse. It's just truly sad, that you, and all of the deceptive, lying "experts", scientists and doctors who did the same thing, are able to now use the very things you eschewed, as excuses.

@DM8,@TitanTiger (AU), @jrodb24, @gatorz1209 do you guys agree with Stomp?

 

[au4life_rz]

Never said herd immunity. Think flu.

I didn't say that YOU said herd immunity. However, I am getting you on record as to whether you feel we will definitely reach herd immunity when we hit 70%, 80% or 90%. We were initially promised that if all of us got vaccinated, we would have this blanket of safety at 70%. Now, you've moved it all the way up to 90%

Do you think we are guaranteed to reach herd immunity with this weird pathogen???

 

[NotAiO]

Never said herd immunity. Think flu.

What percentage take the flu vaccine annually?

 

[Stumpfan]

What percentage take the flu vaccine annually?

50% or so. I would imagine it was more decades ago. The bottom line is the vaccines and even natural immunity will last and get better. We will all catch Covid many times imo over our lifetimes but the symptoms will not be bad and get less and less.

 

[Stumpfan]

I didn't say that YOU said herd immunity. However, I am getting you on record as to whether you feel we will definitely reach herd immunity when we hit 70%, 80% or 90%. We were initially promised that if all of us got vaccinated, we would have this blanket of safety at 70%. Now, you've moved it all the way up to 90%

Do you think we are guaranteed to reach herd immunity with this weird pathogen???

I don’t think we ever reach herd immunity. I think it will be like the flu except instead of kids and the elderly getting a yearly vaccination, it will be people over 50 or so.

 

[Stumpfan]

You are unbelievable. I spent all spring until present, writing hundreds of posts trying to warn you and others, telling you that you should NOT be making definitive statements and guarantees, and hard promises regarding the vaccines and what they would do, because science wasn't perfect, man isn't perfect, and that there were MANY variables were involved that could change, (i.e. we can't KNOW the future, especially with brand new technology).

Instead of considering if such warnings might contain some truth, you attacked me, called me all kinds of names, (anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist), and acted crazy, simply because I wouldn't turn off my brain and wildly lie, spin, promote, and manipulate people to take the new mRNA vaccine. Now, you have the nerve to use the EXACT THINGS I WAS pointing out to you, as excuses when all of the false promises made to us by the leading authorities and decision makers, didn't come true with the vaccines. It's despicable.

Over and again, I told you that since these vaccines were new, and that COVID was so weird, we couldn't possibly know what was going to happen FOR CERTAIN, and that we might get to down the road with this thing and find out that the previous predictions/expectations were wrong. Now, here we are, with you parroting what I'd said, as an excuse. It's just truly sad, that you, and all of the deceptive, lying "experts", scientists and doctors who did the same thing, are able to now use the very things you eschewed, as excuses.

@DM8,@TitanTiger (AU), @jrodb24, @gatorz1209 do you guys agree with Stomp?

The fact that you think I would read this beyond the first line is hilarious. Nobody else tagged will read it either. Maybe you should start a blog or something. Lol

 

[gatorz1209]

You are unbelievable. I spent all spring until present, writing hundreds of posts trying to warn you and others, telling you that you should NOT be making definitive statements and guarantees, and hard promises regarding the vaccines and what they would do, because science wasn't perfect, man isn't perfect, and that there were MANY variables were involved that could change, (i.e. we can't KNOW the future, especially with brand new technology).

Instead of considering if such warnings might contain some truth, you attacked me, called me all kinds of names, (anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist), and acted crazy, simply because I wouldn't turn off my brain and wildly lie, spin, promote, and manipulate people to take the new mRNA vaccine. Now, you have the nerve to use the EXACT THINGS I WAS pointing out to you, as excuses when all of the false promises made to us by the leading authorities and decision makers, didn't come true with the vaccines. It's despicable.

Over and again, I told you that since these vaccines were new, and that COVID was so weird, we couldn't possibly know what was going to happen FOR CERTAIN, and that we might get to down the road with this thing and find out that the previous predictions/expectations were wrong. Now, here we are, with you parroting what I'd said, as an excuse. It's just truly sad, that you, and all of the deceptive, lying "experts", scientists and doctors who did the same thing, are able to now use the very things you eschewed, as excuses.

@DM8,@TitanTiger (AU), @jrodb24, @gatorz1209 do you guys agree with Stomp?

Word. LOTS of words.

 

[NotAiO]

The fact that you think I would read this beyond the first line is hilarious. Nobody ruse tagged will read it either. Maybe you should start a blog or something. Lol

Why not read his post?

 

[Stumpfan]

Why not read his post?

I stopped reading them months ago. Every post is the same.

 

[au4life_rz]

I don’t think we ever reach herd immunity. I think it will be like the flu except instead of kids and the elderly getting a yearly vaccination, it will be people over 50 or so.

First, thanks for answering. I asked because you and many other leading authorities, tweeters, scientists and doctors are still selling a lot of fluffy promises, and speaking of herd immunity as if it's guaranteed. I truly do NOT want to be a downer, but more important, I want to speak truthfully, and set expectations truthfully, then if it turns out that we can, that will be GREAT. But don't trick folks with that promise, just to get them to take something that carries some risk, then change it up if it doesn't occur. That's whizzing on a guy, and telling him it's raining.

We are all hoping and praying that we CAN reach it so that we can get through this thing. Even if we can't reach it, there appears to be benefit in reduced severity of illness requiring hospitalization, and death, (as long as the new vaccines don't come back to bite us in other ways with our immune system).

 

[Stumpfan]

First, thanks for answering. I asked because you and many other leading authorities, tweeters, scientists and doctors are still selling a lot of fluffy promises, and speaking of herd immunity as if it's guaranteed. I truly do NOT want to be a downer, but more important, I want to speak truthfully, and set expectations truthfully, then if it turns out that we can, that will be GREAT. But don't trick folks with that promise, just to get them to take something that carries some risk, then change it up if it doesn't occur. That's whizzing on a guy, and telling him it's raining.

We are all hoping and praying that we CAN reach it so that we can get through this thing. Even if we can't reach it, there appears to be benefit in reduced severity of illness requiring hospitalization, and death, (as long as the new vaccines don't come back to bite us in other ways with our immune system).

I haven’t heard anybody talk about HI in months.

 

[au4life_rz]

Why not read his post?

He reads them, but he is so stubborn and prideful that whenever a good point is made that he can't refute, he and others in the thread say, "It's long" or "I didn't read it". It's a form of immaturity and intellectual dishonesty.

We can all learn from each other, and we will always be wrong. There's a cabal of guys who simply do NOT have the integrity to come back and admit when they are wrong. Stomp argues over and over and over, and ruins threads, and many times he's later proven to be wrong, beyond a shadow of a doubt, but he'll just flinch, change subjects and act as if it never happened. It's not a good look.

 

[au4life_rz]

I haven’t heard anybody talk about HI in months.

I know it's just a ballpark SWAG, but how many people do you believe took the new vaccines, simply because they thought they were "doing their part" for the greater good by helping us reach herd immunity, (since that was the rallying cry, rationale and manipulation button used by the leading authorities)?