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Update #? (More numbers from the coast-echoing @stevesawbone)

What are you babbling about? All of these stats in healthcare workers include everybody that works there. It’s not anecdotal.

You quoted Mr. Hickory, NOT a study. Therefore, what is happening in his system certainly IS anecdotal. You usually dismiss anything not supporting your narrative as anecdotal trash. But you will flip-flop and accept it if it supports your chosen narrative.

You also don't seem to understand the importance of having an adequately sized data sample.
 
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You quoted Mr. Hickory, NOT a study. Therefore, what is happening in his system certainly IS anecdotal. You usually dismiss anything not supporting your narrative as anecdotal trash. You don't seem to understand the importance of using adequately sized data samples.
Again, every hospital system shows doctors are taking it in overwhelming numbers. When morons start saying half of the workers in this healthcare system or that one, they are too ignorant to understand who qualifies as a healthcare worker. Get it thru your head that almost all doctors take these vaccines. There’s a reason for that. Now continue your anti-mRNA crusade.
 
I know. I’m sick of these idiots including media insinuating healthcare workers know something others don’t and morons saying doctors and nurses only get it due to mandates. Most mandates happened in the last couple of months from what I’ve read.

Stomp you ARE the problem. Just look at any of these threads, and you'll see almost EVERYONE in them, using the completely unproductive, and stupid, partisan political method of debating. They hold up on an extreme end of the debate, with a tiny, myopic view of things. And they whale away on each other, calling name, deflecting and NEVER even considering any objective information that might lead to progress and a better understanding.

YOU, are the chief of this unproductive, completely disruptive behavior encouraging foolishness and continued operating with myopia. You rail against something in one breath, and then you consume and post the same type of information that you just complained about, in your next post.

The type of misinformation you are complaining about above, is absolutely the staple of your posting. Don't use confirmation bias, unless it supports my myopic "side"/view.
 
Stomp you ARE the problem. Just look at any of these threads, and you'll see almost EVERYONE in them, using the completely unproductive, and stupid, partisan political method of debating. They hold up on an extreme end of the debate, with a tiny, myopic view of things. And they whale away on each other, calling name, deflecting and NEVER even considering any objective information that might lead to progress and a better understanding.

YOU, are the chief of this unproductive, completely disruptive behavior encouraging foolishness and continued operating with myopia. You rail against something in one breath, and then you consume and post the same type of information that you just complained about, in your next post.

The type of misinformation you are complaining about above, is absolutely the staple of your posting. Don't use confirmation bias, unless it supports my myopic "side"/view.
Lol. Look in the mirror, bro. Look in the mirror.
 
My wife got the Moderna shots. She just got over Covid.
Three days of fever-- 100.5 to a 102 high and an illness that she said was very much like a bad sinus infection along with a mild cold.

I got the Pfizer shots. There was no choice for either of us--you got what they had.

I did not social distance. I place a huge pillow to separate us in bed but I did not go elsewhere because I had already kissed her before she came down with fever and so on. She tested positive at our local CVS.

I tested negative. I still feel fine. I donated platelets a week ago but I have yet to hear back from the Covid test on my blood.

My 16 year old had Covid in January. I still took him to get his shots-- Pfizer. He is fine and tested negative.

I think you are fine with the shots you received. I will post again if things change but I am right now, and believe me I am not boasting, healthy as an Atmore Mule.

Oh and I was the one who made my wife get the shots. Maybe I should say I lovingly persuaded her to get the damn shot. Publix pharmacy called for me. I had already had mine up in Habersham County at the Georgia mass vaccination site.

She thanks me now as this mess may have been much worse.

Pappa Bruin
so I went to my ENT today as I have a chronic problem with sinus infections and I was feeling like poop. He did a CT scan and sure enough my sinuses look like crap..totally full. So he gave me steriod shot, low dose steroid for 14 days, and Cipro for 20 days (since I have a chronic problem). He did not test me for Covid...now I"m wondering if I might have it. I feel exactly like your wife...sinus infection and bad cold combined. Husband and sister (we were all together SAturday) also now feeling bad and with colds....

Sister getting tested tomorrow. If she's positive, I'll go.
 
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Again, every hospital system shows doctors are taking it in overwhelming numbers. When morons start saying half of the workers in this healthcare system or that one, they are too ignorant to understand who qualifies as a healthcare worker. Get it thru your head that almost all doctors take these vaccines. There’s a reason for that. Now continue your anti-mRNA crusade.

You know very well that I've never said that doctors aren't taking the vaccines, and I've never even remotely debated that point. Are you that desperate that you can only discredit me by constantly hanging things on me that I haven't said?

There is definitely a reason that you focus on me so much, and initiate so many ad-hominem attacks.
 
so I went to my ENT today as I have a chronic problem with sinus infections and I was feeling like poop. He did a CT scan and sure enough my sinuses look like crap..totally full. So he gave me steriod shot, low dose steroid for 14 days, and Cipro for 20 days (since I have a chronic problem). He did not test me for Covid...now I"m wondering if I might have it. I feel exactly like your wife...sinus infection and bad cold combined. Husband and sister (we were all together SAturday) also now feeling bad and with colds....

Sister getting tested tomorrow. If she's positive, I'll go.

I've had to go to a lab and get a test myself before, (because my doctor refused to test me). I hope you feel better!
 
You know very well that I've never said that doctors aren't taking the vaccines, and I've never even remotely debated that point. Are you that desperate that you can only discredit me by constantly hanging things on me that I haven't said?

There is definitely a reason that you focus on me so much, and initiate so many ad-hominem attacks.
You’re the one that jumped into the thread saying I was wrong. Lol
 
Agreed.

I'm extremely PRO Vax...but I'm also Pro letting people be idiots as well and risk their lives as well.

The rest of the US should move on let the idiots roll the dice and stop worrying about them.
The problem is they’re the ones where the mutation the vaccine won’t stop will come from.
 
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Question for you …

How do you know which variant a patient has? I didn’t think the PCR tests could differentiate a variant.
 
Talked to my mom earlier today. Her cardiologist down in Baldwin Co is unvaccinated, didn’t wear a mask in their appointments and told her that she didn’t have to wear one either. Anyway he’s now in the ICU on a ventilator with COVID. Wife has it too, but is faring better than he is so far.
 
Talked to my mom earlier today. Her cardiologist down in Baldwin Co is unvaccinated, didn’t wear a mask in their appointments and told her that she didn’t have to wear one either. Anyway he’s now in the ICU on a ventilator with COVID. Wife has it too, but is faring better than he is so far.
Simply amazing. Just amazing. People are just nuts. A fricking cardiologist.
 
I don't think I've ever called anyone stupid. In fact I have said a number of times that I think people who are vaccine-hesitant aren't stupid or malicious. That doesn't mean they aren't wrong. You are generally making the same point I was making. That minds aren't being changed regardless of the overwhelming facts, data, and medical opinion.

I completely agree that some people have an opinion that won't be changed. Which is the point I was making.

The fact that people have deeply held, sincere views, though, doesn't mean those views are correct. Such as with the vaccine. Fearing the vaccine more than covid is perfectly fine. You have a right to do it, and a right to make the choice not to get vaccinated. But the mere fact that people have the right to disagree or hold different opinions does not mean that all opinions are created equal. Some make sense. Some are in direct opposition to common sense and data. We don't have to treat every opinion, no matter how deeply held, as equivalent to all other opinions. Some opinions do have more value than others.

And for whatever it is worth, I change insurance adjusters' opinions on a daily basis. It ain't easy, but it isn't impossible.

I'll say it: there are a lot of fvckin' stupid people in this thread. You're wasting your time "debating" them
 
Talked to my mom earlier today. Her cardiologist down in Baldwin Co is unvaccinated, didn’t wear a mask in their appointments and told her that she didn’t have to wear one either. Anyway he’s now in the ICU on a ventilator with COVID. Wife has it too, but is faring better than he is so far.

My father was at UAB for a procedure a few months ago, and a doctor told him he didn't have to wear his masks because the nurse in there helping them "was vaccinated too". My pops was having none of that, and kept his N95 mask on, (LOL!).

I told him "Good man". I walked into a big gathering of my frat brothers back in June, and everyone flew up to me asking, "Why are you wearing a mask. Aren't you vaccinated". The entire weekend, there was maybe one other person that wore a mask..., occasionally. Hopefully this type behavior will change with the updated guidance issued last week, and HOPEFULLY, it'll help eliminate this current surge we're in.

Sounds like your Mom's cardiologist was a full on Covid denier or something??? Otherwise, it's hard to explain him not wearing a mask, AND not being vaccinated. Come to think of it, it's just hard to explain that one in any regard. Even if he were a denier, surely he'd have seen several of his patients contract Covid, right? That's just a really weird one and it doesn't add up.
 
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so I went to my ENT today as I have a chronic problem with sinus infections and I was feeling like poop. He did a CT scan and sure enough my sinuses look like crap..totally full. So he gave me steriod shot, low dose steroid for 14 days, and Cipro for 20 days (since I have a chronic problem). He did not test me for Covid...now I"m wondering if I might have it. I feel exactly like your wife...sinus infection and bad cold combined. Husband and sister (we were all together SAturday) also now feeling bad and with colds....

Sister getting tested tomorrow. If she's positive, I'll go.

I am sorry you are sick OAUG. I hope this goes away but if not and is Covid, and as @SH0RTS posted, you have your shots and should be fine. Please let us know how you are progressing.

Will say a prayer for you and your family.

Carl
 
wE dOn'T KnOW tHe lOnG tErM EfFeCts oF tHeSe vAcCiNes!!
Ok but, we are positive that Covid can / does kill and cause long term health problems. Choose your poison. One thing is certain .... odds are very good if you are not vaccinated that eventually, you are going to get Covid.
 
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So, the wife’s group got their numbers down to 43. Most discharged and a few deaths. Out of her 12 patients yesterday, none of them have been vaccinated.
 
Yes-I agree that it is likely needed. One of our local hospitals is now offering to their employees.
Mr.H. would it be recommended to go with Moderna or J & J as a "booster" if you had Pfizer as your original vaccine? Heck, I'll take all 3 if that is allowed.
 
Mr.H. would it be recommended to go with Moderna or J & J as a "booster" if you had Pfizer as your original vaccine? Heck, I'll take all 3 if that is allowed.

Mixing and matching of vaccines has been approved by the CDC and seems to be safe (Quebec had to do this because of delivery issues). So, once boosters start to be given, there shouldn’t be an issue with getting a different one.
 
My wife got the Moderna shots. She just got over Covid.
Three days of fever-- 100.5 to a 102 high and an illness that she said was very much like a bad sinus infection along with a mild cold.

I got the Pfizer shots. There was no choice for either of us--you got what they had.

I did not social distance. I place a huge pillow to separate us in bed but I did not go elsewhere because I had already kissed her before she came down with fever and so on. She tested positive at our local CVS.

I tested negative. I still feel fine. I donated platelets a week ago but I have yet to hear back from the Covid test on my blood.

My 16 year old had Covid in January. I still took him to get his shots-- Pfizer. He is fine and tested negative.

I think you are fine with the shots you received. I will post again if things change but I am right now, and believe me I am not boasting, healthy as an Atmore Mule.

Oh and I was the one who made my wife get the shots. Maybe I should say I lovingly persuaded her to get the damn shot. Publix pharmacy called for me. I had already had mine up in Habersham County at the Georgia mass vaccination site.

She thanks me now as this mess may have been much worse.

Pappa Bruin

What about all of those UGA co-eds? How are they faring?
 
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Mixing and matching of vaccines has been approved by the CDC and seems to be safe (Quebec had to do this because of delivery issues). So, once boosters start to be given, there shouldn’t be an issue with getting a different one.

That's good info
 
Mixing and matching of vaccines has been approved by the CDC and seems to be safe (Quebec had to do this because of delivery issues). So, once boosters start to be given, there shouldn’t be an issue with getting a different one.
Do you think everyone will need boosters soon, or will they just be for the most vulnerable?
 
Went to CVS yesterday (Birmingham area) ... was encouraged at how many people I saw getting the vaccine. Has been little to no activity the last couple of months.

On the flip side, my FB feed has started filling up with prayer requests again. Friend of mine had her Dad get really sick yesterday, COVID positive, but Brookwood was full. No beds. So, he had to wait at an emergency clinic until this AM.

Another story ... avid runner, about 50 years old, was a traveling preacher at summer camps, died of COVID. Was in good health and had smiling pictures of him and his family from late June in Destin. Perfectly fine ... had he vaccinated, he'd still be here to watch his kids grow up.

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So avoidable. So sad.
 
Went to CVS yesterday (Birmingham area) ... was encouraged at how many people I saw getting the vaccine. Has been little to no activity the last couple of months.

On the flip side, my FB feed has started filling up with prayer requests again. Friend of mine had her Dad get really sick yesterday, COVID positive, but Brookwood was full. No beds. So, he had to wait at an emergency clinic until this AM.

Another story ... avid runner, about 50 years old, was a traveling preacher at summer camps, died of COVID. Was in good health and had smiling pictures of him and his family from late June in Destin. Perfectly fine ... had he vaccinated, he'd still be here to watch his kids grow up.

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So avoidable. So sad.
Example is the school of mankind; they will learn at no other. -Edmund Burke
 
A pandemic of the unvaccinated.

And since the vaccine is widely available right this very second, why are we freaking out? (not OP)

You either get it or not at this point.
People are frustrated because their kids don’t have the option yet and Delta is much more infectious with kids.

the unvaccinated adults are putting others at risk. Period. It’s not a choice that only affects the individual.
 
Went to CVS yesterday (Birmingham area) ... was encouraged at how many people I saw getting the vaccine. Has been little to no activity the last couple of months.

On the flip side, my FB feed has started filling up with prayer requests again. Friend of mine had her Dad get really sick yesterday, COVID positive, but Brookwood was full. No beds. So, he had to wait at an emergency clinic until this AM.

Another story ... avid runner, about 50 years old, was a traveling preacher at summer camps, died of COVID. Was in good health and had smiling pictures of him and his family from late June in Destin. Perfectly fine ... had he vaccinated, he'd still be here to watch his kids grow up.

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So avoidable. So sad.
That's rough. Prayers to the family. Is that him in the pic or you?
 
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Friend works at a hospital in mobile said their Covid hospitalization rate was up 700% over the last 3 weeks.
 
That's rough. Prayers to the family. Is that him in the pic or you?
Yeah, like Shorts linked, it was Wade Morris. I attended a number of Student Life camps as a teenager and worked for them for a while. Wade was a really good guy. Really sad.

Also, for me, it's a reminder. He's just a few years older than me. I run as well and I am in decent shape. The average hospitalization age, like Hickory pointed out in this thread, has really come down with this Delta variant. Folks that thought they'd be fine are getting caught up in it. Wade was one of those people.
 
The thing is, you shouldn’t speak to a broad array of specialties regarding COVID patients. Most COVID admissions will only see 4-5 types of doctors during their stay. Usually an ER doc, a hospitalist, a pulmonary/critical care doc, an infectious disease specialist and maybe a nephrologist or cardiologist depending on complications. It honestly doesn’t matter what your local dermatologist, allergist, podiatrist, dentist or chiropractor thinks they know about Covid. That’s one of the most frustrating things that I have seen through this is these types of guys vocalizing random narratives that have not a clue. Just because they have an MD or DO behind their name or call themselves a “doctor” doesn’t mean that their opinion is as valuable as mine in this circumstance. Just like I would not volunteer my opinion in their area of expertise. Confirmation bias exists and people seek out opinions to align with their belief and do not understand the inner workings of what is really happening in this circumstance.
My buddy is a radiologist in Charlotte and he sees COVID chest X-rays on a daily basis. His feedback lines up with yours, where last year most of the cases were 60+ year old, he said most of what he sees now are 40-somethings with horrible pneumonia.
 
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Went to CVS yesterday (Birmingham area) ... was encouraged at how many people I saw getting the vaccine. Has been little to no activity the last couple of months.

On the flip side, my FB feed has started filling up with prayer requests again. Friend of mine had her Dad get really sick yesterday, COVID positive, but Brookwood was full. No beds. So, he had to wait at an emergency clinic until this AM.

Another story ... avid runner, about 50 years old, was a traveling preacher at summer camps, died of COVID. Was in good health and had smiling pictures of him and his family from late June in Destin. Perfectly fine ... had he vaccinated, he'd still be here to watch his kids grow up.

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So avoidable. So sad.

We have had 8 under the age of 45 die (who were not in bad health previously) in the last 2 weeks (including a 24, 29 and 31 yo). We thought we were in the clear and I was skeptical of delta being much of an issue. But it is much different animal than we ever saw with the surges of last summer and January.
 
Ok but, we are positive that Covid can / does kill and cause long term health problems. Choose your poison. One thing is certain .... odds are very good if you are not vaccinated that eventually, you are going to get Covid.
It was sarcasm by that poster.
 
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Yeah, like Shorts linked, it was Wade Morris. I attended a number of Student Life camps as a teenager and worked for them for a while. Wade was a really good guy. Really sad.

Also, for me, it's a reminder. He's just a few years older than me. I run as well and I am in decent shape. The average hospitalization age, like Hickory pointed out in this thread, has really come down with this Delta variant. Folks that thought they'd be fine are getting caught up in it. Wade was one of those people.
That is sad as shit.
 
So, the wife’s group got their numbers down to 43. Most discharged and a few deaths. Out of her 12 patients yesterday, none of them have been vaccinated.
I can’t imagine what your wife goes thru daily. Just hearing this stuff bothers me.
 
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We have had 8 under the age of 45 die (who were not in bad health previously) in the last 2 weeks (including a 24, 29 and 31 yo). We thought we were in the clear and I was skeptical of delta being much of an issue. But it is much different animal than we ever saw with the surges of last summer and January.
Man, that is scary. Thanks for the information you've provided in this thread. Your original post about the difference in ICU ages from the January wave to the current wave was the push I needed to get vaccinated. Got my first shot yesterday.

I was never anti-vaccine, just wasn't too concerned given my age and physical shape, but what we're seeing with this variant has certainly changed my perspective.
 
My buddy is a radiologist in Charlotte and he sees COVID chest X-rays on a daily basis. His feedback lines up with yours, where last year most of the cases were 60+ year old, he said most of what he sees now are 40-somethings with horrible pneumonia.
I had a routine (for an oulde like me) cardiology test earlier this week and the technician mentioned that they have been seeing a lot of patients with heart damage resulting from COVID compared to previous years. Even the folks who don't die or even who aren't hospitalized sometimes get side effect from this thing that can be pretty significant and that affect them long term, even in young-ish patients.
 
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