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As everyone here knows i have said this all along. asymptomatic people need not be tested. the odds of spreading it are slim. its always been stupid. masks are also stupid and mostly for show. they can help if someone is coughing all over someone but no cough its doing nothing
 

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Tennessee gyms have been open and there is not a single cluster originating from a gym anywhere in the state. If the government really wanted to mandate something effective, it would encourage Americans to stop being morbidly obese (part of our death rate problems) and go to the gym instead of closing them. Cardiovascular shape is a great way to be minimally effected by the virus.
agree one hunnert percent. that and the american diet
 

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Last one I can think of was 2009. H1N1 infected over 60 million Americans. Don't remember a mask mandate then. Pretty sure there were no shut downs either
This poor comparison was made constantly in the spring by people demanding nothing be done to respond to COVID because they didn't recall H1N1 being a big deal which led them to surmise COVID also posed little/no threat. H1N1 was significantly less deadly than the seasonal flu and killed 12k Americans total over the course of a year+. COVID has killed 180k+ in 5 months and made many times more seriously ill. There is no comparison between COVID and H1N1.
 
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Tennessee gyms have been open and there is not a single cluster originating from a gym anywhere in the state. If the government really wanted to mandate something effective, it would encourage Americans to stop being morbidly obese (part of our death rate problems) and go to the gym instead of closing them. Cardiovascular shape is a great way to be minimally effected by the virus.
I think the future of government assistance includes incentive-based cash bonuses for doing certain things that are traditionally considered personal choices, but actually increase productivity for society in the aggregate. Exercising and eating well are good examples.
 
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As everyone here knows i have said this all along. asymptomatic people need not be tested. the odds of spreading it are slim. its always been stupid. masks are also stupid and mostly for show. they can help if someone is coughing all over someone but no cough its doing nothing
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This poor comparison was made constantly in the spring by people demanding nothing be done to respond to COVID because they didn't recall H1N1 being a big deal which led them to surmise COVID also posed little/no threat. H1N1 was significantly less deadly than the seasonal flu and killed 12k Americans total over the course of a year+. COVID has killed 180k+ in 5 months and made many times more seriously ill. There is no comparison between COVID and H1N1.
So those who died from H1N1 and regular Flu aren't as important as COVID deaths? We shouldn't take measures to save the ones dying from the flu?
 
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So those who died from H1N1 and regular Flu aren't as important as COVID deaths? We shouldn't take measures to save the ones dying from the flu?
No. Public health measures have to be based on the nature of the threat. COVID is a drastically more deadly virus than the seasonal flu or H1N1 and thus it warrants a more significant response. There are viruses out there that are far more deadly than COVID and if one of those hits our country, the measures used to respond will have to be much more extensive than what we have seen this year in response to COVID. I am sorry the facts won't fit into the narrative you are pushing.
 

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No. Public health measures have to be based on the nature of the threat. COVID is a drastically more deadly virus than the seasonal flu or H1N1 and thus it warrants a more significant response. There are viruses out there that are far more deadly than COVID and if one of those hits our country, the measures used to respond will have to be much more extensive than what we have seen this year in response to COVID. I am sorry the facts won't fit into the narrative you are pushing.
no its not
 
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This poor comparison was made constantly in the spring by people demanding nothing be done to respond to COVID because they didn't recall H1N1 being a big deal which led them to surmise COVID also posed little/no threat. H1N1 was significantly less deadly than the seasonal flu and killed 12k Americans total over the course of a year+. COVID has killed 180k+ in 5 months and made many times more seriously ill. There is no comparison between COVID and H1N1.
Curious. What if on Feb 1st all the politicians were guaranteed that the total number of direct Covid cause of deaths would be 200,000. Do you think that all the draconian restrictions would have still been taken? I don't. I think they would have urged seniors and those with weak immune systems to take precautions. That's about it. No mandatory shut downs. No required masks. No loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs.
 

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No. Public health measures have to be based on the nature of the threat. COVID is a drastically more deadly virus than the seasonal flu or H1N1 and thus it warrants a more significant response. There are viruses out there that are far more deadly than COVID and if one of those hits our country, the measures used to respond will have to be much more extensive than what we have seen this year in response to COVID. I am sorry the facts won't fit into the narrative you are pushing.
30,000 flu deaths = no masks

180,000 COVID deaths = masks

Where in between 30k & 180k deaths do we put on the masks? 50k? 60K?
 

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Curious. What if on Feb 1st all the politicians were guaranteed that the total number of direct Covid cause of deaths would be 200,000. Do you think that all the draconian restrictions would have still been taken? I don't. I think they would have urged seniors and those with weak immune systems to take precautions. That's about it. No mandatory shut downs. No required masks. No loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs.
If someone on March 1st had said we'd have 180k+ deaths before Labor Day, you and your fellow downplayers would have accused them of being a reckless fear monger. The countries that had coherent strategies to respond to COVID succeeded in reducing their case and death totals to very low numbers so the disastrous outcome we have experience thus far was not inevitable. If we had pursued a similar response, we would not be worrying about being able to reopen schools or have college football this fall.
 

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30,000 flu deaths = no masks

180,000 COVID deaths = masks

Where in between 30k & 180k deaths do we put on the masks? 50k? 60K?
30k flu deaths in a year. 180k+ COVID deaths and counting in 5 months. Anyone still comparing COVID to the flu is beyond delusional.
 
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30k flu deaths in a year. 180k+ COVID deaths and counting in 5 months. Anyone still comparing COVID to the flu is beyond delusional.
What's the number where we put the masks on?
 

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If someone on March 1st had said we'd have 180k+ deaths before Labor Day, you and your fellow downplayers would have accused them of being a reckless fear monger. The countries that had coherent strategies to respond to COVID succeeded in reducing their case and death totals to very low numbers so the disastrous outcome we have experience thus far was not inevitable. If we had pursued a similar response, we would not be worrying about being able to reopen schools or have college football this fall.
You didn't answer my question. 200,000 max for the year. Do we shut down the country?? Yes or no?
 

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What's the number where we put the masks on?
There is no set "number." We deal with the seasonal flu every year and have vaccines and therapeutic treatments to combat it. The threat it poses is not even remotely similar to COVID. If we are unlucky enough to be hit with a virus more deadly than COVID one day, masks will be one of the least restrictive measures that are put into place. If this crisis has revealed anything, its that our country is completely unprepared to deal with a pandemic. The only good thing that can come out of this is that people should not listen to folks like you next time who demand who do nothing to prepare for and respond to this kind of threat.
 

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You didn't answer my question. 200,000 max for the year. Do we shut down the country?? Yes or no?
Max for the year? What are you talking about? We will be at 200k+ by October 1st and without something significant to change our trajectory, close to or above 300k by the time we are one year into this pandemic. On March 1st, if anyone said we would have 300k deaths in a year, you would have set yourself on fire and screamed about their fear mongering.

Obviously any rational leader would implement the national measures other countries used as part of their national strategy to get COVID under control. The countries who did so have suffered far less economically than we did. The 32% GDP crash we experienced is drastically worse than any other country regardless of how long their lockdowns lasted. Had we done so, we would have COVID under control now and reopened earlier this summer with case numbers low enough to manage while keeping schools open and playing sports. Only the nuttiest downplayers (like you) would claim 300k deaths (or 200k) was no big deal and not worthy of any response.
 
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There is no set "number." We deal with the seasonal flu every year and have vaccines and therapeutic treatments to combat it. The threat it poses is not even remotely similar to COVID. If we are unlucky enough to be hit with a virus more deadly than COVID one day, masks will be one of the least restrictive measures that are put into place. If this crisis has revealed anything, its that our country is completely unprepared to deal with a pandemic. The only good thing that can come out of this is that people should not listen to folks like you next time who demand who do nothing to prepare for and respond to this kind of threat.
Vaccines? I know plenty of people of got the vaccine and still died from the flu.

I know there's no set number. My point is it's arbitrary. The flu can be very deadly as well. Just like COVID in certain populations. It makes no sense to wear masks for COVID and not the flu.

We are only wearing masks bc someone said to. 97 % survival rate. Almost 100% survival rate if you're under 50. CDC came out today and said asymptomatic people should no longer get tested. It's an admission people with no symptoms are not causing other people to die. Masks for healthy people are therefore ridiculous.
 
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Vaccines? I know plenty of people of got the vaccine and still died from the flu.

I know there's no set number. My point is it's arbitrary. The flu can be very deadly as well. Just like COVID in certain populations. It makes no sense to wear masks for COVID and not the flu.

We are only wearing masks bc someone said to. 97 % survival rate. Almost 100% survival rate if you're under 50. CDC came out today and said asymptomatic people should no longer get tested. It's an admission people with no symptoms are not causing other people to die. Masks for healthy people are therefore ridiculous.
You know lots of people who died from the seasonal flu? That seems odd. If we had a vaccine for COVID that was even 50% effective, we would be in a drastically better situation today.

12k died from H1N1. 22k died from the seasonal flu this flu season. We are at 180k+ and counting from COVID. You need to find a new narrative because any comparison between COVID and those two viruses was debunked months ago.
 
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You know lots of people who died from the seasonal flu? That seems odd. If we had a vaccine for COVID that was even 50% effective, we would be in a drastically better situation today.

12k died from H1N1. 22k died from the seasonal flu this flu season. We are at 180k+ and counting. You need to find a new narrative because any comparison between COVID and those two viruses was debunked months ago.
You didn't address my 2nd paragraph
 

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You didn't address my 2nd paragraph
The very reason we are wearing masks is that there is a significant risk of asymptomatic spread. If 80%+ of Americans would wear masks, we could drastically reduce the spread and save tens of thousands of lives. Unfortunately, that won't happen because people like you are zealously trying to convince people masks are not necessary.
 
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The very reason we are wearing masks is that there is a significant risk of asymptomatic spread. If 80%+ of Americans would wear masks, we could drastically reduce the spread and save tens of thousands of lives. Unfortunately, that won't happen because people like you are zealously trying to convince people masks are not necessary.
Yale professor Harvey Risch said last night on my TV that he is an expert in science and studying these issues. He also told me that there are many studies that support HCQ being very effective in treating COVID, especially when given early. POTUS also told me on my TV yesterday about convalescent plasma treating COVID. Now we have 2 therapeutics, much like the flu. Can we take the masks off now?
 

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  • If you do not have COVID-19 symptoms and have not been in close contact with someone known to have a COVID-19 infection:
    • You do not need a test.
      • A negative test does not mean you will not contract an infection at a later time.
    • If you decide to be tested, you should self-isolate at home until your test results are known, and then adhere to your health care provider’s advice. This does not apply to routine screening or surveillance testing at work, school, or similar situations.


So if you get tested, you self isolate until you get results but if you don’t test, you just go about your business? Why does the rested person have to self isolate?
 

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The very reason we are wearing masks is that there is a significant risk of asymptomatic spread. If 80%+ of Americans would wear masks, we could drastically reduce the spread and save tens of thousands of lives. Unfortunately, that won't happen because people like you are zealously trying to convince people masks are not necessary.
you sure about this? I saw a WHO report from a while back that said it was rare to spread by asymptomatic carriers?
 

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You back to not trusting them when it doesn't fit yours?

I'm not in this fight, I just always think that line of argument is funny.
It’s not ha-ha funny, but it is disingenuous.

There are more people concerned about being right on their entrenched positions so that they can flex their “I told you so” chops, than they are of getting through this thing.

Apparently.
 

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you sure about this? I saw a WHO report from a while back that said it was rare to spread by asymptomatic carriers?
Yes, there are several studies which show masks are effective and would save tens of thousands of lives in our country over the coming months if 80%+ of people would wear them. Pre-symptomatic spread or people with mild symptoms is a huge reason why this virus is much more difficult to stop than SARS. The SARS epidemic was stopped with a very low number of cases because people were only contagious once they were extremely ill. We know COVID is being spread by people who are either not experiencing symptoms yet or aren’t very sick which could be significantly reduced if we had an overwhelming buy in with mask use.
 

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Yale professor Harvey Risch said last night on my TV that he is an expert in science and studying these issues. He also told me that there are many studies that support HCQ being very effective in treating COVID, especially when given early. POTUS also told me on my TV yesterday about convalescent plasma treating COVID. Now we have 2 therapeutics, much like the flu. Can we take the masks off now?
There are zero large randomized clinical trials which show HCQ is effective. Only retrospective studies have shown any positive indications and those are vastly outweighed by the RCTs which have shown it does not work.
 

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This poor comparison was made constantly in the spring by people demanding nothing be done to respond to COVID because they didn't recall H1N1 being a big deal which led them to surmise COVID also posed little/no threat. H1N1 was significantly less deadly than the seasonal flu and killed 12k Americans total over the course of a year+. COVID has killed 180k+ in 5 months and made many times more seriously ill. There is no comparison between COVID and H1N1.
You are right no comparison. H1N1 wasn’t used by a certain group to try to install a socialist government through population control and riots.
 

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And another switch. Lol. Hopefully one day, they can make up their mind

According to your link, "they" (being the doctors at the CDC) had made up their mind and this switch represents the position they always held. Hopefully one day, the non-experts can stop interfering with the doctors running the COVID response who are trying to save lives.

CDC reverses testing guidelines after report of interference

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reversed guidance on who should be tested for the virus that causes COVID-19, specifying that asymptomatic people who have come in contact with an infected person should get tested and quarantine for 14 days -- a change from guidance released last month that said testing might not be necessary for people without symptoms.

CDC guidance released in August caused alarm in the public health community that data would give an incomplete picture of outbreaks around the country, and The New York Times reported this week that it was published by the Department of Health and Human Services without approval from experts at the CDC.

It said that if a person came in contact with someone infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 "you do not necessarily need a test" if you don't exhibit any symptoms, but that local public health officials or health care providers might still recommend one. CDC Director Robert Redfield has tried to clarify the guidance, testifying this week that it did not mean people without symptoms shouldn't get a test but that they should consult local health guidance and that testing should be paired with other protective measures like isolating for 14 days.

The CDC removed that language on Friday, returning to instructions that say if someone has been in close contact with a person with COVID-19 infection "you need a test" and to self-isolate for 14 days, even if the test is negative.

Doctors like Thomas File, president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America, praised the reversal and called it a return to science-based decisions.

“The return to a science-based approach to testing guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is good news for public health and for our united fight against this pandemic. We urge officials to support the work of controlling this pandemic by following medical guidance of experts in the field," File said in a statement.
 

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According to your link, "they" (being the doctors at the CDC) had made up their mind and this switch represents the position they always held. Hopefully one day, the non-experts can stop interfering with the doctors running the COVID response who are trying to save lives.

CDC reverses testing guidelines after report of interference

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reversed guidance on who should be tested for the virus that causes COVID-19, specifying that asymptomatic people who have come in contact with an infected person should get tested and quarantine for 14 days -- a change from guidance released last month that said testing might not be necessary for people without symptoms.

CDC guidance released in August caused alarm in the public health community that data would give an incomplete picture of outbreaks around the country, and The New York Times reported this week that it was published by the Department of Health and Human Services without approval from experts at the CDC.

It said that if a person came in contact with someone infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 "you do not necessarily need a test" if you don't exhibit any symptoms, but that local public health officials or health care providers might still recommend one. CDC Director Robert Redfield has tried to clarify the guidance, testifying this week that it did not mean people without symptoms shouldn't get a test but that they should consult local health guidance and that testing should be paired with other protective measures like isolating for 14 days.

The CDC removed that language on Friday, returning to instructions that say if someone has been in close contact with a person with COVID-19 infection "you need a test" and to self-isolate for 14 days, even if the test is negative.

Doctors like Thomas File, president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America, praised the reversal and called it a return to science-based decisions.

“The return to a science-based approach to testing guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is good news for public health and for our united fight against this pandemic. We urge officials to support the work of controlling this pandemic by following medical guidance of experts in the field," File said in a statement.
Lol. So it took them ~month before the doctors caught the error?
 

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Lol. So it took them ~month before the doctors caught the error?
You should read the articles you link before you post them. The medical community immediately pointed out this was a serious error as soon as the false guidance was issued by the non doctors/appointees at HHS last month.

CDC guidance released in August caused alarm in the public health community that data would give an incomplete picture of outbreaks around the country, and The New York Times reported this week that it was published by the Department of Health and Human Services without approval from experts at the CDC.
 

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You should read the articles you link before you post them. The medical community immediately pointed out this was a serious error as soon as the false guidance was issued by the non doctors/appointees at HHS last month.

CDC guidance released in August caused alarm in the public health community that data would give an incomplete picture of outbreaks around the country, and The New York Times reported this week that it was published by the Department of Health and Human Services without approval from experts at the CDC.
I read it. It's a month later and just now is something being said.

Sorry you didn't get your GOTCHA moment like you were hoping for
 
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You should read the articles you link before you post them. The medical community immediately pointed out this was a serious error as soon as the false guidance was issued by the non doctors/appointees at HHS last month.

CDC guidance released in August caused alarm in the public health community that data would give an incomplete picture of outbreaks around the country, and The New York Times reported this week that it was published by the Department of Health and Human Services without approval from experts at the CDC.
^^^out front on the “dummy” narrative every time^^^
 

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I read it. It's a month later and just now is something being said.

Sorry you didn't get your GOTCHA moment like you were hoping for
No. As noted in the article, doctors raised the alarm about this guidance as soon as it was issued by HHS. As Dr. File noted, we are fortunate the mistake made by the HHS appointees who interfered in this process was corrected, even it it took a month for those who tried to override the doctors to admit they were wrong.

“The return to a science-based approach to testing guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is good news for public health and for our united fight against this pandemic. We urge officials to support the work of controlling this pandemic by following medical guidance of experts in the field," File said in a statement.

Sorry the article didn't make the point you thought it did.
 

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