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OT: Gina Carano fired (Mandalorian)

I would also like to point out that the same peckerheads that defend firing her are the same peckerheads that go "You should just enjoy the art without worrying about their politics" when conservatives complain about how 99.9999% of Hollywood openly hates their guts.
 
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Sure a private company can fire who they want if it's out of alignment with their culture, etc. My point is this pattern is not dealt with evenly. You can look no further than colleges. Professors are often not fired or even suspended for really crass and offensive comments. Actors and musicians say some of the most hair brained crap and may get a wrist-slapping, but rarely are they fired from their role, contract, etc.

Now Gina had a pattern that Disney didn't like much and ppl need to accept that. I'm just saying "freedom of speech" is dealt with evenly in this country. Ilhan Omar should have at least been censored for her constant anti-Semitic remarks. Period.
...as is evidenced by Disney remaining totally silent on Terry Moran who compared Trump to Hitler.
 
I would also like to point out that the same peckerheads that defend firing her are the same peckerheads that go "You should just enjoy the art without worrying about their politics" when conservatives complain about how 99.9999% of Hollywood openly hates their guts.
I guess its a good thing she didn't get fired. Its also a good thing nothing she did in her acting career could be considered art.
 
I highlighted exactly what I was responding to. I’m sorry this is so difficult for you. Again, I’m not the least bit surprised you have to have your hand held all the way through this.
And you realize I can’t see that right? When you quote me, all I can see is the very top of my post. I guess you need lessons on how the bunker works. I really hope life is not this difficult for you.
 
And you realize I can’t see that right? When you quote me, all I can see is the very top of my post. I guess you need lessons on how the bunker works. I really hope life is not this difficult for you.
No, it actually sounds like you need lessons. Again, I'm sorry this is so hard for you. May god have mercy on your poor soul.
 
No, it actually sounds like you need lessons. Again, I'm sorry this is so hard for you. May god have mercy on your poor soul.
I can’t imagine struggling through life like you struggle on here. And I can’t imagine being this upset just because you’re wrong...yet again.
 
I can’t imagine struggling through life like you struggle on here. And I can’t imagine being this upset just because you’re wrong...yet again.
I'm no the one who's upset. Your failure is well documented. Better luck next time. Clearly you'll need it.
 
who trivialized it? She sounds like she is well aware of it and how it started and wants to make people aware of it to prevent another one
So you think we're at danger of targeting people who have certain political views, physically attacking them, rounding them up to torture, starve and kill?
 
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Gina Carano is not even remotely comparable to college professors who are, in the case of state schools, government employees and thus there are 1st Amendment implications to penalizing their speech. I really find it hard to believe that so many people struggle to understand that the 1st Amendment has nothing to do with private companies and only applies to the government.

Here is a handy flow chart for all of the folks up in arms over how this is an example of "free speech" violations or unfair application of the 1st amendment.

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Y'all got all the leftist butt buddies fired up now. I love how they will always argue for less and less freedom versus freedom and more freedom.
 
He didn’t say anything about social media. I also quantified my post by saying “Or at least, don’t participate”. How hard is that to understand? Keep trying though smooth brain.

Yes, you actually did. You said most aren’t on it or participate in it. He showed you 73% do. If you’re on social media, you are participating in it, dumbass. You may be dumber than aler.
 
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Yes, you actually did. You said most aren’t on it or participate in it. He showed you 73% do. If you’re on social media, you are participating in it, dumbass. You may be dumber than aler.
He's having a rough time. No signs of stopping either. God bless him.
 
They pretty much proved her case right by canceling her. Meanwhile, Nick Cannon said much worse and he's doing fine. He didn't lose a thing.

So, they proved that being a conservative is the same as being a Jew during the Holocaust by not renewing her contract???

And, Disney/Lucas films didn't do anything to Nick Cannon for saying much worse? Did I get all that right??? What should Disney have done to Nick??? What does that have to do with the price of thinly veiled tea in China?

People in general, typically get cancelled for all kinds of stuff these days, (and some of it is really stupid), but I don't know that you thought this all the way through.
 
And you realize I can’t see that right? When you quote me, all I can see is the very top of my post. I guess you need lessons on how the bunker works. I really hope life is not this difficult for you.

lol. Click it and you can see it. You can also just go right above and read your post. Are you 80 years old?
 
so to be clear every employer should be able to fire anyone based on political thought , race, creed or religion. that is what you are advocating. If disney can do as they please shouldn't all companies. the law needs to be applied evenly

Unfortunately, folks have used plausible deniability, and gray areas to discriminate ever since laws were put in place to stop open discrimination. We have freedom of speech in 'Merica, but as with most freedoms, there are still ramifications and equal and opposite reactions for every choice/action. Therefore, you're free to speak, but you DO have to consider the cost of your actions.

If I'm working for a company where the owners are extreme right-wing conservatives, I have a choice of leaving and working for someone who shares my ideals and worldview, or, I can go around like Malcolm X fighting the power, hugging trees, and exposing something like the corrupted version of critical race theory....BUT, if I'm smart, and my contract is coming up for renewal, I should consider that they dang well may not choose to renew it if I choose to act that way.

If it were a conservative company, and the founders of a radical organization wanted to spew extreme views, would you have an issue with the company deciding that they didn't want to renew their contract?
 
You don't know what the first amendment says! Read it!

I do. You didn’t read my questions that I posed.

If the 14th amendment can be used to provide “equal protection” for things not clearly stated in the constitution, shouldn’t it at least be used to cover things that are actually in the constitution like the 1st amendment?

I find that most people‘s answer to that question depend on their teams stance given the circumstances of situation.

Me, I truly believe in freedom of thought and expression, and I think it’s dumb that people can lose their job over political beliefs in general. It’s not a de jure violation of free speech. It is definitely de facto supression that benefits one political party or the other depending on the circumstances.
 
The 1st Amendment has nothing to do with private companies. Carano is still free to rant and rave about any delusional conspiracy she likes. She just doesn't get to represent Disney while doing so as they are free to not employee people who embarrass their brand by pushing deranged conspiracies. Why is that such a difficult concept for people to grasp?

I understand. I guess my arguments are more about the general hypocrisy of such a stance not so much the legal maneuvering one has to perform in order to technically be right. IMO, the spirit of the constitution is broken if not the legal language.

A person once said, “I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than being morally right.” (Hint: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY)
 
I understand. I guess my arguments are more about the general hypocrisy of such a stance not so much the legal maneuvering one has to perform in order to technically be right. IMO, the spirit of the constitution is broken if not the legal language.

A person once said, “I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than being morally right.” (Hint: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY)
That's also incorrect. The "spirit' of the Constitution also has nothing to do with private companies. That's why the founders made it crystal clear that the 1st Amendment only applies to the government. This situation is a great example of how free speech in our country works. Anyone is free to say anything they want without any penalty from the government provided they aren't committing a crime. Meanwhile, private companies are also free to not employee anyone they like if they think their speech is damaging to their brand. If Gina Carano was an Islamic extremist pushing a violent conspiracy theory that called for the murder of American elected officials, no one ITT would be complaining about Disney deciding not to renew her contract. The only hypocrisy at play ITT is from folks who think people they agree with should be allowed to say anything they like without any consequences.
 
The National SOCIALIST Party otherwise known as NAZIS didn’t start out by sending Jews to the ovens. First they had to demonize them. That is the stage the media and cancel culture is in now. Worse is coming. That is what I think she is saying.

i think both sides do plenty of demonizing.

This. You get a dream job and can make millions of dollars. In exchange you agree not to damage your company's brand and follow their rules. Don't like it? Get fired!
Correct. My company has made that perfectly clear.
 
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Gina Carano is not even remotely comparable to college professors who are, in the case of state schools, government employees and thus there are 1st Amendment implications to penalizing their speech. I really find it hard to believe that so many people struggle to understand that the 1st Amendment has nothing to do with private companies and only applies to the government.

Here is a handy flow chart for all of the folks up in arms over how this is an example of "free speech" violations or unfair application of the 1st amendment.

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Dude. Every time I try and meet you in the middle, you jump the shark. I essentially agreed with you and stated she was let go for yes, likely not following Disney's culture, etc. Please READ. Good grief man. I noticed how you completely ignored the other folks I mentioned such as actors and musicians, who are overwhelmingly on the left. Rarely are they fired for their crazy tweets or theories or accusations. In fact, they are often treated with praise and pats on the back. Please don't argue that one b/c you can't. So let me rephrase, liberal celebrities are not treated the same as non-liberals with regards to speech deemed offensive.

As far as government employees, go, yes there are certain protections but they aren't immune. You also dodged my point about Ilhan Omar and her numerous anti-Semitic statements/tropes. She has never once been censored by her own party. Not the same playing field, man.
 
Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib would suggest otherwise... they have been blatantly anti-Semitic for as long as they have been in elected office and instead of facing any kind of repercussions, they still sit on all of their committees and exhibit quite a bit of influence for the future of their party. The left rewards these members for whatever reason. We have actually seen Republicans remove members of their own party from committee assignments for bigoted speech... (Steve King) and Republicans offered to remove the crazy lady Greene from her committees but instead the Dems decided to do the literally unprecedented and remove her themselves instead of letting the minority party choose to appoint who they want onto committees.

There is a clear double-standard.
Repubs 'offered to remove Greene from her committees'? When and where? I need to see proof of that. Everything I saw was that they refused to do so. I agree they removed Steve King and felt like they would do the same with Greene, but I read that they refused.
 
...as is evidenced by Disney remaining totally silent on Terry Moran who compared Trump to Hitler.

Not arguing that. My point to @DM8 , which he completely ignored, is celebrities and public servants, for the most part, are treated differently in our current culture and political climate. Those on the left are often free pass for their comments. Bill Maher said the N-word. What happened to him? Anyone on this board, regardless of political ideology, can't argue that point. There's no way.
 
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Private companies have a right to do what they want.

Disney doesn't want to piss off the mob simple as that.

With that said....

The woke leftism is clearly in control of the culture and social media.

Nick Cannon was literally just hired back by CBS, and he flat out said white people are savages. As mentioned her own co-star compared Trump policies to to Nazi Germany and nothing was done.

How many times has the media compared Trump and right-wingers to Nazism? How many members of the media have shamed anyone who voted for Trump and said they should not be "forgiven." Yet that kind of speech is not only accepted but applauded.

Privates companies can do whatever they want, but politics and business are affected by culture and I think there is a pretty big double standard in the culture today.
 
Repubs 'offered to remove Greene from her committees'? When and where? I need to see proof of that. Everything I saw was that they refused to do so. I agree they removed Steve King and felt like they would do the same with Greene, but I read that they refused.

What was done to Ilhan Omar, the biggest anti-Semite in congress? ZERO. And she has made several statements and tropes, not just one. She does a BS "sorry" and all is forgiven. Good grief.
 
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Glad to see our mentally ill residents are still pushing their non sense in this thread.


How has this thread made it on the bunker all day? Jay must be fishing.
 
So, they proved that being a conservative is the same as being a Jew during the Holocaust by not renewing her contract???

And, Disney/Lucas films didn't do anything to Nick Cannon for saying much worse? Did I get all that right??? What should Disney have done to Nick??? What does that have to do with the price of thinly veiled tea in China?

People in general, typically get cancelled for all kinds of stuff these days, (and some of it is really stupid), but I don't know that you thought this all the way through.
That's not what she said. She was talking about before the holocaust. The very seeds of hate that were promoted socially that led to the holocaust decades later (it's not a solid comparison imo). It was a bad move on her part but when people started bullying her on Twitter, it kind of proved her point.

Secondly, I don't think Nick Cannon works for Disney. I never alluded to such. He said anti-semtic and racist BS on a podcast. He apologized to Jews and got his job back. He said much worse about white people in the same podcast and it got zero attention. He purposefully never apologized for the racist comments.

You're being deceptive. You twist and turn peoples words. I hope it's just confusion on your part, but it happens enough that I don't think it is.
 
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What was done to Ilhan Omar, the biggest anti-Semite in congress? ZERO. And she has made several statements and tropes, not just one. She does a BS "sorry" and all is forgiven. Good grief.

Wasn't talking to you .. and I didn't say $hit about the person you reference above. @brazilnut said that republicans offered to strip Greene of her committees, and I said I need to see evidence of that as I believe that is untrue. So..... Go merrily TF on your way and don't' good grief' me..
 
I worked in corporate marketing before, believe me you don’t want to have anything negatively associated with your brand, especially when you’re publicly traded. Plus we don’t know what they know about the demographics of their fan base. What happened with Goya likely will not happen with all.
Panther I get that. But it all comes down to what is "negatively associated". As many point out, we are currently in a sharply divided nation. What one side considers correct, the other side considers morally reprehensible.

So, how do you navigate that landscape if you are a corporate marketer? Pick the route that offends the fewest people? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking.
 
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Wasn't talking to you .. and I didn't say $hit about the person you reference above. @brazilnut said that republicans offered to strip Greene of her committees, and I said I need to see evidence of that as I believe that is untrue. So..... Go merrily TF on your way and don't' good grief' me..

Sure. I'll do that. Vented at the wrong person. Apologies.
 
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Private companies have a right to do what they want.

Disney doesn't want to piss off the mob simple as that.

With that said....

The woke leftism is clearly in control of the culture and social media.

Nick Cannon was literally just hired back by CBS, and he flat out said white people are savages. As mentioned her own co-star compared Trump policies to to Nazi Germany and nothing was done.

How many times has the media compared Trump and right-wingers to Nazism? How many members of the media have shamed anyone who voted for Trump and said they should not be "forgiven." Yet that kind of speech is not only accepted but applauded.

Privates companies can do whatever they want, but politics and business are affected by culture and I think there is a pretty big double standard in the culture today.
Inciting a riot to storm the US Capitol building and prevent the confirmation of a democratic election will typically draw those types of comparisons. Oops
 
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Panther I get that. But it all comes down to what is "negatively associated". As many point out, we are currently in a sharply divided nation. What one side considers correct, the other side considers morally reprehensible.

So, how do you navigate that landscape if you are a corporate marketer? Pick the route that offends the fewest people? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking.
That’s it. Everything you do is as generic and neutral as morally possible. Most people get it and do it pretty well, actually.
 
Inciting a riot to storm the US Capitol building and prevent the confirmation of a democratic election will typically draw those types of comparisons. Oops
Soooo. Anyone who voted for that guy is a Nazi? Are you serious man? So is every Dem an anarchist based on Antifa and those goofs out in Portland? So we have 74 million Nazis in our country? Holy chit man. Let's round them up!
 
Soooo. Anyone who voted for that guy is a Nazi? Are you serious man? So is every Dem an anarchist based on Antifa and those goofs out in Portland?
I was referencing the Trump/Nazi comparisons. But you go ahead and use whatever straw man you feel promotes your viewpoint better. Its nothing new here.
 
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