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Gene therapy is a hot "new" field in biotech/pharmaceutical development. As a result, regulators and field experts convened this week to discuss safety concerns. There have been many observed adverse events over the years including death. How does this pertain to Covid? Gene therapy typically uses the same AAV vector that the J&J vaccine uses. The difference is that the vaccine vector is engineered not to replicate, while the gene therapy vector is intended to replicate. This is a major difference, but the platform still leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion for a "rushed" vaccine. I've said on these boards many times that I prefer Novavax's vaccine, which is not available yet, but even the mRNA vaccines sit much better with me. Gene therapy is an awesome tool to have in our toolbox, but in my opinion, which is not worth much, it should be reserved for genetic issues like Duchenne Muscular Distrophy. At a minimum, it should only be used once the safety data, both long and short term have been analyzed. A good summary article is in the spoiler below.


At FDA meeting, gene therapy experts wrestle with field's blindspots​

The panel suggested ways to make gene therapy research safer, but struggled to propose broader recommendations.
Published Sept. 3, 2021

Jacob Bell / BioPharma Dive
A group of gene therapy experts called for better research tools and more careful monitoring of side effects to treatment, but stopped short in a high-profile meeting Thursday of advocating for major changes to how studies in the fast-growing field are conducted.
The committee, which the Food and Drug Administration convened for advice on the risks to gene therapy, proposed a number of ways research could potentially be made safer, such as by improving how patients are screened for clinical trials. None of the panel members, though, suggested slowing research in any significant fashion, rejecting, for instance, the idea of imposing an upper limit on gene therapy doses to lower risks.

"While the meeting was an excellent update on pre-clinical and clinical adverse events in the field, it largely left untouched what measures might actually be taken to help future-proof this field," said Anthony Davies, founder and CEO of Dark Horse Consulting, which specializes in gene therapy.
Experts said that inconsistent standards in how gene therapies are produced, and how certain safety risks are assessed, made it difficult to come up with recommendations that could be broadly applied.
The meeting, which will continue Friday, comes after a series of safety incidents in gene therapy clinical trials resurfaced some longstanding concerns, as well as new worries about the use of high treatment doses. The deaths last year of three children in a study of a neuromuscular disease therapy, in particular, appear to have spurred the FDA to seek the experts' advice.
"Our enthusiasm for this field must be balanced by caution," said Wilson Bryan, director of the FDA's Office of Tissues and Advanced Therapies, in a presentation opening the meeting Thursday. "The greatest risks in drug development fall on the patients who receive an investigational product."

Weighing cancer risk​

The FDA split the first day of the meeting into two sessions, focusing the first on the persistent worry that injecting genes into cells might eventually spur cancer, and the second on the liver injury that can be caused by treatment. The committee will discuss brain toxicity Friday.
In discussing the risk of cancer, experts spent considerable time weighing findings from testing in animals, some of which dates back more than 20 years. Results have shown that a commonly used delivery tool, the adeno-associated virus or AAV, can fuse itself into the genomes of certain animals and, at least in mice, that integration is associated with liver cancer.
Concerns around whether this risk can play out similarly in humans grew earlier this year when a patient given an experimental hemophilia gene therapy developed by the biotech company UniQure was diagnosed with liver cancer.
UniQure has since exonerated its gene therapy, and experts at the FDA panel noted the risk remains theoretical. Other research in larger animals and in humans haven't replicated the worrisome findings in mice. A study following dogs given a hemophilia gene therapy and presented at the meeting by University of Pennsylvania researcher Denise Sabatino, for example, showed AAV did get into the genome but didn't lead to cancer.
"[T]his is something that will need to be monitored very carefully, [but] so far, the signal in the clinic doesn't seem to be very strong," said Christopher Breuer, the director of the center for regenerative medicine at Nationwide Children's Hospital, a top gene therapy hub.
Pfizer, which has invested heavily in gene therapy, argued companies shouldn't have to run more studies looking for integration events in animals until there is "clear causality in humans," according to a public comment filed with the FDA. Pfizer claimed additional experiments using human cell lines to assess risk would be more relevant.
FDA panelists, meanwhile, said longer animal tests might more effectively capture any cancer risk of AAV, as will tracking the health of the more than 800 children who have so far received the Novartis spinal muscular atrophy treatment Zolgensma. Experts also suggested closer scrutiny of gene therapy components.
But several were hesitant to make broad recommendations to the FDA as there aren't set rules for every aspect of how gene therapies are made.
"We are starting to get a sense of the scientific issues that are out there, but we need to start to drive towards some type of standardization," said Taby Ahsan, the head of biologics analytical development at MD Anderson Cancer Center. "Understanding that will help us give solid recommendations for preclinical study design as we move forward."

Missed opportunities​

While the cancer risk of AAV gene therapy in humans remains theoretical, liver toxicity is one of the most common side effects reported in clinical testing to date and, in a few cases, has led to serious health problems.
In a study of a gene therapy developed by Audentes Therapeutics, for instance, three young children given a very high dose developed liver damage and later died, although the exact link between their deaths and the treatment is still unclear. Two cases of acute liver failure have also been reported in patients treated with Zolgensma, and many hemophilia patients across several gene therapy studies have experienced significant increases in liver enzyme counts, a potentially worrisome sign.
"I think that a lot of the studies have missed opportunities to involve hepatologists early on," said Theo Heller, a liver specialist at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, at the meeting. "Hepatotoxicity is such a common side effect of this therapy."
Experts did call on researchers to more comprehensively assess and screen for preexisting liver conditions, which they said might affect how side effects develop.
"We do need careful screening," said Lisa Butterfield, the meeting's chair and vice president of the Parker Institute for Cancer Immunotherapy at the University of California, San Francisco. "We need to focus on more than just fluctuations in blood work."
The committee made few other concrete recommendations on how best to manage the risk of liver problems, though. In particular, they opposed placing an upper limit on the gene therapy doses that could be tested, although research suggests the worst health consequences to liver toxicity only emerge at higher doses.
A major sticking point, some members noted, was the difficulty in characterizing the make-up of gene therapy doses, which can contain extraneous material alongside the therapeutic DNA.
"It confounds this question of toxicity and toxic side effects of AAV perhaps because, again, going back, we don't have reference standards for the field," said Charles Venditti, a senior investigator with the National Human Genome Research Institute.
 
Gene therapy is a hot "new" field in biotech/pharmaceutical development. As a result, regulators and field experts convened this week to discuss safety concerns. There have been many observed adverse events over the years including death. How does this pertain to Covid? Gene therapy typically uses the same AAV vector that the J&J vaccine uses. The difference is that the vaccine vector is engineered not to replicate, while the gene therapy vector is intended to replicate. This is a major difference, but the platform still leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion for a "rushed" vaccine. I've said on these boards many times that I prefer Novavax's vaccine, which is not available yet, but even the mRNA vaccines sit much better with me. Gene therapy is an awesome tool to have in our toolbox, but in my opinion, which is not worth much, it should be reserved for genetic issues like Duchenne Muscular Distrophy. At a minimum, it should only be used once the safety data, both long and short term have been analyzed. A good summary article is in the spoiler below.


At FDA meeting, gene therapy experts wrestle with field's blindspots​

The panel suggested ways to make gene therapy research safer, but struggled to propose broader recommendations.
Published Sept. 3, 2021

Jacob Bell / BioPharma Dive
A group of gene therapy experts called for better research tools and more careful monitoring of side effects to treatment, but stopped short in a high-profile meeting Thursday of advocating for major changes to how studies in the fast-growing field are conducted.
The committee, which the Food and Drug Administration convened for advice on the risks to gene therapy, proposed a number of ways research could potentially be made safer, such as by improving how patients are screened for clinical trials. None of the panel members, though, suggested slowing research in any significant fashion, rejecting, for instance, the idea of imposing an upper limit on gene therapy doses to lower risks.

"While the meeting was an excellent update on pre-clinical and clinical adverse events in the field, it largely left untouched what measures might actually be taken to help future-proof this field," said Anthony Davies, founder and CEO of Dark Horse Consulting, which specializes in gene therapy.
Experts said that inconsistent standards in how gene therapies are produced, and how certain safety risks are assessed, made it difficult to come up with recommendations that could be broadly applied.
The meeting, which will continue Friday, comes after a series of safety incidents in gene therapy clinical trials resurfaced some longstanding concerns, as well as new worries about the use of high treatment doses. The deaths last year of three children in a study of a neuromuscular disease therapy, in particular, appear to have spurred the FDA to seek the experts' advice.
"Our enthusiasm for this field must be balanced by caution," said Wilson Bryan, director of the FDA's Office of Tissues and Advanced Therapies, in a presentation opening the meeting Thursday. "The greatest risks in drug development fall on the patients who receive an investigational product."

Weighing cancer risk​

The FDA split the first day of the meeting into two sessions, focusing the first on the persistent worry that injecting genes into cells might eventually spur cancer, and the second on the liver injury that can be caused by treatment. The committee will discuss brain toxicity Friday.
In discussing the risk of cancer, experts spent considerable time weighing findings from testing in animals, some of which dates back more than 20 years. Results have shown that a commonly used delivery tool, the adeno-associated virus or AAV, can fuse itself into the genomes of certain animals and, at least in mice, that integration is associated with liver cancer.
Concerns around whether this risk can play out similarly in humans grew earlier this year when a patient given an experimental hemophilia gene therapy developed by the biotech company UniQure was diagnosed with liver cancer.
UniQure has since exonerated its gene therapy, and experts at the FDA panel noted the risk remains theoretical. Other research in larger animals and in humans haven't replicated the worrisome findings in mice. A study following dogs given a hemophilia gene therapy and presented at the meeting by University of Pennsylvania researcher Denise Sabatino, for example, showed AAV did get into the genome but didn't lead to cancer.
"[T]his is something that will need to be monitored very carefully, [but] so far, the signal in the clinic doesn't seem to be very strong," said Christopher Breuer, the director of the center for regenerative medicine at Nationwide Children's Hospital, a top gene therapy hub.
Pfizer, which has invested heavily in gene therapy, argued companies shouldn't have to run more studies looking for integration events in animals until there is "clear causality in humans," according to a public comment filed with the FDA. Pfizer claimed additional experiments using human cell lines to assess risk would be more relevant.
FDA panelists, meanwhile, said longer animal tests might more effectively capture any cancer risk of AAV, as will tracking the health of the more than 800 children who have so far received the Novartis spinal muscular atrophy treatment Zolgensma. Experts also suggested closer scrutiny of gene therapy components.
But several were hesitant to make broad recommendations to the FDA as there aren't set rules for every aspect of how gene therapies are made.
"We are starting to get a sense of the scientific issues that are out there, but we need to start to drive towards some type of standardization," said Taby Ahsan, the head of biologics analytical development at MD Anderson Cancer Center. "Understanding that will help us give solid recommendations for preclinical study design as we move forward."

Missed opportunities​

While the cancer risk of AAV gene therapy in humans remains theoretical, liver toxicity is one of the most common side effects reported in clinical testing to date and, in a few cases, has led to serious health problems.
In a study of a gene therapy developed by Audentes Therapeutics, for instance, three young children given a very high dose developed liver damage and later died, although the exact link between their deaths and the treatment is still unclear. Two cases of acute liver failure have also been reported in patients treated with Zolgensma, and many hemophilia patients across several gene therapy studies have experienced significant increases in liver enzyme counts, a potentially worrisome sign.
"I think that a lot of the studies have missed opportunities to involve hepatologists early on," said Theo Heller, a liver specialist at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, at the meeting. "Hepatotoxicity is such a common side effect of this therapy."
Experts did call on researchers to more comprehensively assess and screen for preexisting liver conditions, which they said might affect how side effects develop.
"We do need careful screening," said Lisa Butterfield, the meeting's chair and vice president of the Parker Institute for Cancer Immunotherapy at the University of California, San Francisco. "We need to focus on more than just fluctuations in blood work."
The committee made few other concrete recommendations on how best to manage the risk of liver problems, though. In particular, they opposed placing an upper limit on the gene therapy doses that could be tested, although research suggests the worst health consequences to liver toxicity only emerge at higher doses.
A major sticking point, some members noted, was the difficulty in characterizing the make-up of gene therapy doses, which can contain extraneous material alongside the therapeutic DNA.
"It confounds this question of toxicity and toxic side effects of AAV perhaps because, again, going back, we don't have reference standards for the field," said Charles Venditti, a senior investigator with the National Human Genome Research Institute.

Excellent stuff. Are there similar concerns (other than those publicized) around the mrna vaccines?
 
Excellent stuff. Are there similar concerns (other than those publicized) around the mrna vaccines?
There shouldn’t be unless the mRNA sequence accidentally codes for something harmful. This is extremely unlikely. Although it should be noted that the sequences of the two vaccines are not identical, so who knows what else is coded outside of the spike protein
 
There shouldn’t be unless the mRNA sequence accidentally codes for something harmful. This is extremely unlikely. Although it should be noted that the sequences of the two vaccines are not identical, so who knows what else is coded outside of the spike protein

Yeah. That's something that I never considered.... Any update you can share on Novavax? Am I wrong in thinking of that one as being all-around "safer"? Given the people by and large can tolerate saponin...
 
Yeah. That's something that I never considered.... Any update you can share on Novavax? Am I wrong in thinking of that one as being all-around "safer"? Given the people by and large can tolerate saponin...
I agree that it is safer since it doesn’t contain any genetic material. I spoke to them on Friday. Not much to share. They are hopeful for October EUA but it’s still not certain. They are making a boatload of doses already/currently, so once they get clearance, it will be ready to go
 
I agree that it is safer since it doesn’t contain any genetic material. I spoke to them on Friday. Not much to share. They are hopeful for October EUA but it’s still not certain. They are making a boatload of doses already/currently, so once they get clearance, it will be ready to go

thanks for the update. not to pry, but I gathered from a previous thread that you remain un-jabbed. why are you passing on the current available shots?
 
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Nope I got vaccinated (Moderna) the day after Novavax announced their delays in May.

Good to know. My cousin is struggling with what to do. Pfizer or Moderna or white knuckle it to Novavax.... I told him there are quite a few people here with insights, so just trying to pass along what I can.
 
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Good to know. My cousin is struggling with what to do. Pfizer or Moderna or white knuckle it to Novavax.... I told him there are quite a few people here with insights, so just trying to pass along what I can.
Keep your eyes out for some news in the next couple of days, but you didn’t hear it from me
 

Well, there's no need for them to continue the hit job/smear campaign on J&J, (to cast it in a more unattractive light). Unless I'm reading the stats I glance at from time to time incorrectly, no one is really taking it.

Good info on the deaths from the gene therapy, but did you get from the article, whether the deaths were from AAV or some other aspect of the treatment/trial? Companies are really sprinting ahead with some of their riskier tech that they were just chomping at the bit to get across the line, and out into the public, but they should be careful that they don't go too fast. I tried to tell folks from the very beginning that this was likely to happen, and they would use that "mRNA is our savior" mantra to push some of this tech out into the public.
 
@redmocm , do you have any updates on any of the new trials or general happenings in the industry?
Not really much that isn’t public knowledge. While it won’t be like Advil, the Merck antiviral pills are not going to be in short supply. The Pfizer pill will be less available for now, but they will catch up. BMS has an antibody treatment that they feel good about. I don’t know much about it other than my colleague just won a pretty big deal for it.

Supply chains seem to be in pretty decent shape right now although raw material prices are going way up. A lot of solvents are byproducts of other industries that slowed production
 
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Not really much that isn’t public knowledge. While it won’t be like Advil, the Merck antiviral pills are not going to be in short supply. The Pfizer pill will be less available for now, but they will catch up. BMS has an antibody treatment that they feel good about. I don’t know much about it other than my colleague just won a pretty big deal for it.

Supply chains seem to be in pretty decent shape right now although raw material prices are going way up. A lot of solvents are byproducts of other industries that slowed production

Thank you sir.
 
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