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in case anyone was wondering, Sweden did it right

On second though, this is an obvious troll thread. You can't be that stupid and also a CPA.

Still, it feels a little malicious of you to post this, given that we've had a few members recently post about parents who've either died or are dying because of COVID. I wish I could say that "you're better than this," but I honestly don't have any evidence to support that.

@T I G E R posting an obvious troll thread?

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It's because we don't demand better from our elected leaders.

We Americans have always been braindead stupid about holding any elected official accountable for anything they say or do/don’t do. We love to vote for the idiots into office and keep them there though don’t we?
 
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We Americans have always been braindead stupid about holding any elected official accountable for anything they say or do/don’t do. We love to vote for the idiots into office and keep them there though don’t we?
That's what happens when you let people divide you fake "culture war" boundaries, rather than standing in solidarity against the billionaire class. We end up voting for absolute morons because they're on our "team."
 
That's at least a large part of it.
Also, if we're being honest, we sort of had to allow big businesses to stay open because we've allowed big business to put almost all the small businesses out of business over the last 40 years. That's the fault of our elected officials too. We allowed them to ship our jobs oversees, destroy our unions, monopolize our supply chains, all in the name of a "free" market that they've been manipulating the whole time.
 
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That's what happens when you let people divide you fake "culture war" boundaries, rather than standing in solidarity against the billionaire class. We end up voting for absolute morons because they're on our "team."
Wut did the Prezzzident have to do wit COEVID19??
Wuz thare a betta way to handle it than the United States did?
I azk beeekuzz I don't know. If sumwun elze wuz in office, woood thare be less peeepel sick?
 
Wut did the Prezzzident have to do wit COEVID19??
Wuz thare a betta way to handle it than the United States did?
I azk beeekuzz I don't know. If sumwun elze wuz in office, woood thare be less peeepel sick?
I didn't mention the president, but his administration's failures during this crisis have been well documented. And we can't know whether someone else would have done better -- that's speculation -- but I truly believe that any other candidate for president (from either side) in 2016 would have done a much better job than our current one.
 
Tiger, no offense, but that was an un-believably bad take. One of the worse ever on the Bunker, so that's saying something. Please read up on Sweden and re-assess your current position, as it's likely that you saw a quick tweet and just decided to trust it and/or didn't read enough other positions to form an objective and qualified opinion. It's possible that their approach might eventually turn out to be good, (IF, it turns out that we can develop meaningful immunity and reach herd immunity), however, we have a long ways to go before that data is in.

If you read up on Sweden's laissez-faire approach of allowing citizens to social distance on their own, with a good sampling of the different positions on Sweden's approach, you'll likely change your current position. Sweden's deaths per capita have risen steadily from day one, and is now at to slightly over 500 deaths per million, and that's despite them having what I believe will turn out to be the much milder strain of Covid-19. Take a look at the bordering countries and see how drastically higher Sweden's death rate is. I mean, it's PHENOMENALLY higher, and the researchers of your linked article were'n't bright enough to even use their immediate neighbors in the comparison. Had Sweden been hit with the virulent strain, the same one that ravaged NYC/NJ, Italy and Spain, their death rate might be close to double or higher, what it is now.

The authors of that tweet/post really baked the results. They only compared Sweden with the two of the worse, hardest hit countries in Europe, and the worse two cities in the U.S., (while leaving out Sweden's immediate neighbors for an apples to apples comparison), without knowing to factor in the consideration that those 4 areas were likely dealing with a MUCH more virulent strain of C19. It's just shameful to put out such shoddy work. It's tantamount to an outright lie. It's equal bad that @aler, @Jim in Scranton, @BruceGOATPearl threw their weight and approval behind such shoddy work. When we start baking results just to "win" a silly internet argument, we all lose. Fake, make-it-up news is NOT a good thing.
How in the world do you know what strains are where and what people’s immune systems are like based on their environment in each country? You seem like you are making more assumptions than anybody else.

switzerland only has one weak strain yet they have more visitors in a year than they do population. LOL
 
That's what happens when you let people divide you fake "culture war" boundaries, rather than standing in solidarity against the billionaire class. We end up voting for absolute morons because they're on our "team."

Too class warfare for me Kiney...... that’s the problem with that sort of thinking. Not all of us are into the class warfare thingy. See, I think it’s way more about the “my guy or gal is going to do for me what I want”. Money for my bridge or building or road or school or whatever. I think most of us are willing to look the other way with “our person” as long as we think we’re going to get “our stuff”. I’m sure there is some reason to your division thinking too. There are a lot of people that think things can be made from thin air or that the few can pay for everything for the many. I’m just not down for the full blow class warfare thing. That’s bad juju.
 
I didn't mention the president, but his administration's failures during this crisis have been well documented. And we can't know whether someone else would have done better -- that's speculation -- but I truly believe that any other candidate for president (from either side) in 2016 would have done a much better job than our current one.
ha ha. Whut? Obama had 6 years to replenish our stocks of ventilators, masks, all types of PPE. He didn't do shit. Then DJT is supposed to be able to handle outbreak when the country has nothing to work with?? Sure thing hoss. DJT has done as well as any President could. He has allowed the States ( as he should ) to control their medical decisions. The added benefit was that it showed that most Democratic run States/Cities have been a disaster.
 
It’s pretty simple. You have a choice. Sit it out or partake in life.

Government goobs don’t stop viruses
 
wow what an incompetent statement from an incompetent person. exposure to a coronavirus prior to infection does give resistance to covid. corona is actually SARS-Cov-2.

And how many got infected? 8000 worldwide! 8000! Who is incompetent again? Do you research next time before responding to my posts if you don’t want to look so ignorant.
 
ha ha. Whut? Obama had 6 years to replenish our stocks of ventilators, masks, all types of PPE. He didn't do shit. Then DJT is supposed to be able to handle outbreak when the country has nothing to work with?? Sure thing hoss. DJT has done as well as any President could. He has allowed the States ( as he should ) to control their medical decisions. The added benefit was that it showed that most Democratic run States/Cities have been a disaster.
You're right. The media's just out to get him. Those reporters who speak out against our Dear Leader should all be locked up in cages like those babies at the border.
 
Too class warfare for me Kiney...... that’s the problem with that sort of thinking. Not all of us are into the class warfare thingy. See, I think it’s way more about the “my guy or gal is going to do for me what I want”. Money for my bridge or building or road or school or whatever. I think most of us are willing to look the other way with “our person” as long as we think we’re going to get “our stuff”. I’m sure there is some reason to your division thinking too. There are a lot of people that think things can be made from thin air or that the few can pay for everything for the many. I’m just not down for the full blow class warfare thing. That’s bad juju.
I hear where you're coming from, and I used to feel the same way; but, please understand that billionaires/mult-millionaires definitely realize that everything is class warfare. The reason they always win is because their class stands together. Ours doesn't.

I don't care how "progressive" the billionaire is, I guarantee that every single one of them was a little gleeful when they GOP passed those abysmal tax cuts in 2017. They stand together.

Meanwhile, we've got people that make $90k arguing that people making $20k shouldn't be able to get healthcare. Divide and conquer.
 
wow what an incompetent statement from an incompetent person. exposure to a coronavirus prior to infection does give resistance to covid. corona is actually SARS-Cov-2.

Where did you disappear to? Don’t leave the thread after getting show up.

I see @Jim in Scranton liked your post. That’s not a good sign. He must also think Asian countries got some immunity for a virus that infected 8000 people in the world. Hahahahahaha!!!
 
You are correct and the proof is how poorly the major cities are run.
I know you're probably trying to judo my post into an indictment of progressive ideals -- which if true, is kinda pathetic -- but you're actually right in ways that you probably haven't realized.

For instance, most cities elect their prosecutor. If we'd have elected better prosecutors -- who will actually arrest and prosecute corrupt cops -- we wouldn't be where we are today.

If we had elected better mayors, perhaps they would have defunded police in favor of education long ago. Then, maybe our police departments would look more like offices of public safety rather than para-military organizations.

If we had elected better city councils, maybe they would have had the balls to put mandatory mask orders in place in the exact places where COVID is currently overwhelming ICUs.

If Alabama elected better state level leaders, maybe we would have made the necessary change to fund education through means other than sales taxes. Maybe those stupid confederate monuments would have come down long ago.
 
ha ha. Whut? Obama had 6 years to replenish our stocks of ventilators, masks, all types of PPE. He didn't do shit. Then DJT is supposed to be able to handle outbreak when the country has nothing to work with?? Sure thing hoss. DJT has done as well as any President could. He has allowed the States ( as he should ) to control their medical decisions. The added benefit was that it showed that most Democratic run States/Cities have been a disaster.
Приветствую дорогого лидера Дональда Трампа!
 
I know you're probably trying to judo my post into an indictment of progressive ideals -- which if true, is kinda pathetic -- but you're actually right in ways that you probably haven't realized.

For instance, most cities elect their prosecutor. If we'd have elected better prosecutors -- who will actually arrest and prosecute corrupt cops -- we wouldn't be where we are today.

If we had elected better mayors, perhaps they would have defunded police in favor of education long ago. Then, maybe our police departments would look more like offices of public safety rather than para-military organizations.

If we had elected better city councils, maybe they would have had the balls to put mandatory mask orders in place in the exact places where COVID is currently overwhelming ICUs.

If Alabama elected better state level leaders, maybe we would have made the necessary change to fund education through means other than sales taxes. Maybe those stupid confederate monuments would have come down long ago.

It is truly amazing how one side can reconstruct events to make them conform to their ideals.

50 years of same same in Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, Seattle and lots more and you still won’t accept the utter failure that these people’s ideology has brought.

This proves the only way to change things is out and out war, and I am afraid we are getting closer and closer every riot.

Congrats on using your education well.!
 
The left will continue fear porn. They have their motives. As the virus is mutating it’s becoming less lethal. Hence cases rising, hospitalizations/deaths falling.
 
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How in the world do you know what strains are where and what people’s immune systems are like based on their environment in each country? You seem like you are making more assumptions than anybody else.

switzerland only has one weak strain yet they have more visitors in a year than they do population. LOL

I assume that you can read, but can you comprehend??? Did I say that I KNEW anything definitively? However, I am using cues to make intelligent assumptions regarding the likelihood that there are at least two different strains with one being MUCH more virulent than the other. Why would I assume this?, because there are several examples where most of the key variables are the same, yet the hospitalization rates, and death rates are DRASTICALLY higher. I.e. the difference between California and NYC, or Italy/Spain and other countries in Europe where most of the folks show little to no symptoms, (as is the case with California too).

Every country around Sweden, by all indications, have the mild strain if you look at the stats, therefore it's a reasonable assumption that Sweden would be more likely to have the same mild strand. In addition, the countries and areas that appear to have the virulent strain, experience a much higher death rate per capita. Look at the difference between dense population centers and death rates and severity of illnesses in Cali and NYC. None of that proves anything definite, but it's reasonable conjecture given that the medical treatment and other factors are roughly the same, (and you had more proven connections to people coming from Italy to NYC bringing back the deadly strain, whereas the West Coast from Cali to Washington state seemed to be infected with a much milder strain). Go look at the countries in Europe and notice similar patterns even though everything else is pretty much the same.
 
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I assume that you can read, but can you comprehend??? Did I say that I KNEW anything definitively? However, I am using cues to make intelligent assumptions regarding the likelihood that there are at least two different strains with one being MUCH more virulent than the other. Why would I assume this?, because there are several examples where most of the key variables are the same, yet the death rate is DRASTICALLY higher. I.e. the difference between California and NYC, or Italy/Spain and other countries in Europe where most of the folks show little to no symptoms, (as is the case with California too).

Every country around Switzerland, by all indications, have the mild strain if you look at the stats, therefore it's a reasonable assumption that Sweden would be more likely to have the same mild strand. In addition, the countries and areas that appear to have the virulent strain, experience a much higher death rate per capita. Look at the difference between population centers and death rates and severity of illnesses in Cali and NYC. None of that is definitely, but it's reasonable conjecture.
Seriously? Everything effects people differently. People with weak immune systems can die from viruses that don’t even bother you or me much. Facts. Again you are just assuming.

you have also failed to mention that Switzerland has battled H1N1 several times over the years. And understand that it is worse than covid19. So it’s not like they took their decisions lightly.
 
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Seriously? Everything effects people differently. People with weak immune systems can die from viruses that don’t even bother you or me much. Facts. Again you are just assuming.

you have also failed to mention that Switzerland has battled H1N1 several times over the years. And understand that it is worse than covid19. So it’s not like they took their decisions lightly.

Of course everything effects everyone differently. I've NEVER said anything remotely to indicate otherwise, as that would be idiotic, so why did you throw that in there as if I'd said it???

However, when such a large percentage in California who gets C19 is asymptomatic, or has a VERY mild case akin to having a common cold etc., and the hospitalization rate is super low, you can start drawing reasonable conclusions. Not definite, but reasonable. Then in NYC, for every 1000 people that get it, there's a MUCH higher percentage requiring hospitalization and dying, (and I'm talking people of every race, age, socio-economic and health condition). At that point, I think it's a fairly intelligent assumption to consider other causes such as saying, "Okay, the medical care is pretty much the same in this country, the other key factors are roughly the same, and there are currently no other factors that explain it, so maybe there are two or more strains. Especially when you see the same pattern in other countries and regions where the per capita hospitalization and death rates are DRASTICALLY different, but all other factors are pretty much the same.

Lastly, you won't get any/many medical researchers or personnel to agree that H1N1 is more contagious or virulent than COVID-19, especially what I believe to be the more virulent strain of C19. Besides, no one ever said that they took their decisions lightly. We all just wanted to see how things would turn out, and everyone with half a brain WANTED someone to find something that worked better so that we could get all of the economies going again before things start collapsing.
 
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Of course everything effects everyone differently. I've NEVER said anything remotely to indicate otherwise, as that would be idiotic, so why did you throw that in there as if I'd said it???

However, when such a large percentage in California who gets C19 is asymptomatic, or has a VERY mild case akin to having a common cold etc., and the hospitalization rate is super low, you can start drawing reasonable conclusions. Not definite, but reasonable. Then in NYC, for every 1000 people that get it, there's a MUCH higher percentage requiring hospitalization and dying, (and I'm talking people of every race, age, socio-economic and health condition). At that point, I think it's a fairly intelligent assumption to consider other causes such as saying, "Okay, the medical care is pretty much the same in this country, the other key factors are roughly the same, and there are currently no other factors that explain it, so maybe there are two or more strains. Especially when you see the same pattern in other countries and regions where the per capita hospitalization and death rates are DRASTICALLY different, but all other factors are pretty much the same.

Lastly, you won't get any/many medical researchers or personnel to agree that H1N1 is more contagious or virulent than COVID-19, especially what I believe to be the more virulent strain of C19. Besides, no one ever said that they took their decisions lightly. We all just wanted to see how things would turn out, and everyone with half a brain WANTED someone to find something that worked better so that we could get all of the economies going again before things start collapsing.[/QUOT

you obviously don’t know much about H1N1. It has been the deadliest flu of all time. Killing millions.
The last go around 80% of the people that died were young. And that’s because the older people had built up immunities to it. Covid19 doesn’t kill healthy young people. H1n1 did. Huge difference.
 
Lol. America is full of spoiled little bitches who make everything political. If you think they didn’t lockdown because big box stores stayed open then I can’t help you. What a ridiculous take. We can’t even get most people wearing masks. We are soft as jello.
Where in that did I say that we didn't lock down because big-box stores stayed open?

Because you are stupid and illogical and in posession of a severely damaged personality, I will break it down for you . . .

We didn't lock down because there was no lock-down. People smelled the fraud and didn't comply. If there were a real lockdown, this would be over, like it's over in NZ.

Seek help. There are therapies and medicines today that can help almost anyone. No matter how angry, unwanted and isolated they feel.
 
Where in that did I say that we didn't lock down because big-box stores stayed open?

Because you are stupid and illogical and in posession of a severely damaged personality, I will break it down for you . . .

We didn't lock down because there was no lock-down. People smelled the fraud and didn't comply. If there were a real lockdown, this would be over, like it's over in NZ.

Seek help. There are therapies and medicines today that can help almost anyone. No matter how angry, unwanted and isolated they feel.

“Instead, we got illogical, half-assed measures that let big-box stores print money while half the country was going out of business. Americans never show up when they smell a big ol pile of bullshit. And bullshit is all we've gotten from TPTB.”

Americans are soft as charmin. They didn’t even want to do the half ass measures we did do. You’re so FOS on this that you can’t see it.
 
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