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Rice I have retired from Dear Diary due to political reasons.Dear Diary, I have no idea because the United States would never have existed in its current form.
They are monuments that honor soldiers that died 150 years ago on the losing side of the war. If we get rid of them, where will people go to pay their respects?If people are going to complain about kids getting participation trophies, then cry about how important these "second place, US Civil War" Confederate memorials are, I am not hearing you
They are monuments that honor soldiers that died 150 years ago on the losing side of the war. If we get rid of them, where will people go to pay their respects?
A lot of the monuments are to the war dead. The soldiers who sign up for war because that’s what their leaders say they should do, even though it was a very stupid war. Like Iraq.If people are going to complain about kids getting participation trophies, then cry about how important these "second place, US Civil War" Confederate memorials are, I am not hearing you
Not all of the monuments are.They are monuments that honor soldiers that died 150 years ago on the losing side of the war. If we get rid of them, where will people go to pay their respects?
Rice just win I think you can’t be any dumber you go and totally redeem yourself.Dear Diary, I have no idea because the United States would never have existed in its current form.
I lean no.
If people are going to complain about kids getting participation trophies, then cry about how important these "second place, US Civil War" Confederate memorials are, I am not hearing you
There are many countries that have lost wars and built memorials to their fallen sons.They are monuments that honor soldiers that died 150 years ago on the losing side of the war. If we get rid of them, where will people go to pay their respects?
South came real close to winning. As time wore on it was impossible. Slavery was dead anyway so I don’t know how different we would be today . I am not for pulling any historical statue down. Stonewall Jackson was a brilliant tactician and a decent man. Sherman likewise. They were not evilThe South was never going to win that war, but just to humor you, if the south wins not even the war, but just finishes the Union off on day 1 at Shiloh, we’d never have heard of Grant or Sherman.
But the North would have eventually won anyway, so we’d have statues of Burnside or Meade. I’d rather look at Grant or Sherman.
The real question is does Lehman Brothers (Montgomery) move back south if the south wins the war? (There were several other investment banks with southern roots, but gets a little more complicated for some due to mergers.)No, because the South wouldn't have subjugated the North after the war as the South was subjugated and plundered. The South, having earned its independence, would have expanded its own government and given border states the option of joining the new nation. The North would have remained the United States, just without those states that joined the CSA. My guess is that history would then view these same generals and politicians in a far different light than they are viewed today. Some might be rather notorious rather than famous.
You spelled when wrongRice just win I think you can’t be any dumber you go and totally redeem yourself.
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First instinct: go fvck yourself.A lot of the monuments are to the war dead. The soldiers who sign up for war because that’s what their leaders say they should do, even though it was a very stupid war. Like Iraq.
Now the monuments to the leaders of said war, well that’s different.
Some monuments are just penises the artist made to troll us.Not all of the monuments are.
Why should I **** my self this time?First instinct: go fvck yourself.
2nd instinct: it’s the bunker- go for it bro
No troll. That’s how the size of the monuments are determined.Some monuments are just penises the artist made to troll us.
With modernization it had become outdated. Man was never meant to live that way. The sad thing it still exists in places.The real question is do Lehman Brothers (Montgomery) move back to the south if the south wins the war?
Does the south actually end up with top cities? Or would the cities have gone to crap when most adopted an Over The Mountain strategy with Integration? (Assuming they’re didn’t suck to begin with.) Or would integration actually had worked out better? Or would it have still been run as an experiment on Integrating poor whites and blacks regardless of the upheaval it caused either group?
The thing is the slavery plantation model was never the most efficient means of production, and it was about to be due for a major upheaval without the war.
Actually, before modernization it was relatively hard to successfully pull off.With modernization it had become outdated. Man was never meant to live that way. The sad thing it still exists in places.
Great pointActually, before modernization it was relatively hard to successfully pull off.
So much about the south has always been a myth, so the civil war becoming a bit of a myth is actually in line.
That is possible, and very close to happening. The south did not have the resources to win a prolonged war but for just a few slip ups they almost one. Slavery was done one way or another but if the south won they might have kept it for a while out of spite. The two nations would have been interesting.No, because the South wouldn't have subjugated the North after the war as the South was subjugated and plundered. That subjugation, that bootheel, is a large part of the reason why southerners clung to and venerated their generals and leaders from that era. Pure defiance.
OTOH, the South, having earned its independence, would have expanded its own government and given border states the option of joining the new nation. The North would have remained the United States, just without those states that joined the CSA.
My guess is that history would then view these same generals and politicians in a far different light than they are viewed today. Some might be rather notorious rather than famous.
I am not sure the north would have had the stomach if it went a little more sour at a couple of battles. Remember this was a war about secession with unlawful taxes as the south rallying cry and control from the north. The north may have just said let them go.The South was never going to win that war, but just to humor you, if the south wins not even the war, but just finishes the Union off on day 1 at Shiloh, we’d never have heard of Grant or Sherman.
But the North would have eventually won anyway, so we’d have statues of Burnside or Meade. I’d rather look at Grant or Sherman.
Keeping slavery out of stubbornness would have been an even bigger disaster. Probably what would have happened though.That is possible, and very close to happening. The south did not have the resources to win a prolonged war but for just a few slip ups they almost one. Slavery was done one way or another but if the south won they might have kept it for a while out of spite. The two nations would have been interesting.
The thing about people in the south in those days is they were very resentful of being told what to do. It might have been a big deal for them to win and then stay a country just out of spite. We are never really United on anything until someone else tries to kick our ass.Keeping slavery out of stubbornness would have been an even bigger disaster. Probably what would have happened though.
The south wasn’t exactly united then. Sure maybe at the beginning. But those letters between families sure did change in tone as the war progressed.The thing about people in the south in those days is they were very resentful of being told what to do. It might have been a big deal for them to win and then stay a country just out of spite. We are never really United on anything until someone else tries to kick our ass.
Hell no. They would shoot their neighbors but when the North came to shoot their neighbors they said hell no. Remember the army was mostly union forces at the time of the split and the South was full of farmers.The south wasn’t exactly united then. Sure maybe at the beginning. But those letters between families sure did change in tone as the war progressed.
Imagine walking into a park and seeing a monument for those who fought to keep your people enslaved.Based on what both sides had to endure, I would be fine if there were a lot more memorials for leaders from both sides. I doubt many that complain about this topic would have lasted a day fighting the battles they had to fight. Teenagers removed from their families knowing they would likely never see them again. It takes a tough SOB to walk that line, no matter what color your uniform.
I guess I also fail to see how either side of this blood shed war compares to kids getting trophies.
No one has a problem with us respecting those who put their lives on the line in Vietnam. Again, most of those that pretend the outcome in Vietnam is the same as a kid getting a trophy would never have the sack to step off a chopper in those same conditions.
You don’t have to agree with the purpose to respect those who offered to put their life on the line.
That would require asking people to not think about themselves for once. Tall taskImagine walking into a park and seeing a monument for those who fought to keep your people enslaved.
No, because the South wouldn't have subjugated the North after the war as the South was subjugated and plundered. That subjugation, that bootheel, is a large part of the reason why southerners clung to and venerated their generals and leaders from that era. Pure defiance.
OTOH, the South, having earned its independence, would have expanded its own government and given border states the option of joining the new nation. The North would have remained the United States, just without those states that joined the CSA.
My guess is that history would then view these same generals and politicians in a far different light than they are viewed today. Some might be rather notorious rather than famous.