JGT: You got burned by your optimism on Payton Thorne during the summer
BMatt: I did
Stultz: I think we all did... I know who else did... Hugh
BMatt: That all offensive staff got burned.... by the OTs and the QB positions
Im somewhat confused about the idea that Hugh and company were "burned" by Thorne.
He was a mediocre QB at Michigan State. He was not good last year. Did they actually expect him to be better than mediocre in 2024?
They watched him all of 2023, Spring 2024, Summer 2024, and Fall Camp AND now they are burned by his performance?
Let's break this down even further... Generally speaking, the expectation for this season was in the 7-8 win range.
Payton obviously looked like complete dogshit vs. Cal.
However, I would suggest that outside the Cal game, Payton Thorne has been exactly the QB he has been since 2022 at Michigan State. You can look at his QBR and his Passer Rating. You see that he performs slightly above and below his Career Averages, especially in the games that we typically would have counted as hopeful wins in the preseason.
I guess my confusion is.. Who did Hugh and company think they were going to see this fall?
And maybe what is even more confusing or concerning is the fact that they benched him following the Cal game, which prevented him from getting more game reps with the new offense for the New Mexico game. Then they decided to go back to him in the Arkansas game after watching Hank drown for a half... a game that I fully believe could have been a win with Thorne for the full game.
So a guy they watched for all of 2023, Spring 2024, Summer 2024, and Fall Camp was benched after the second game in the season. And then re-inserted halfway through the 4th game of the season.
They looked at the offense all of 2023, Spring 2024, Summer 2024, and Fall Camp said thought lets hitch our wagons (hopes and dreams) to this guy. A guy that helped Michigan State win 5 games in 2022. A guy that helped Auburn win 6 games in 2023. I guess getting to 7 was just part of that natural progression.
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BMatt: I did
Stultz: I think we all did... I know who else did... Hugh
BMatt: That all offensive staff got burned.... by the OTs and the QB positions
Im somewhat confused about the idea that Hugh and company were "burned" by Thorne.
He was a mediocre QB at Michigan State. He was not good last year. Did they actually expect him to be better than mediocre in 2024?
They watched him all of 2023, Spring 2024, Summer 2024, and Fall Camp AND now they are burned by his performance?
Let's break this down even further... Generally speaking, the expectation for this season was in the 7-8 win range.
Payton obviously looked like complete dogshit vs. Cal.
However, I would suggest that outside the Cal game, Payton Thorne has been exactly the QB he has been since 2022 at Michigan State. You can look at his QBR and his Passer Rating. You see that he performs slightly above and below his Career Averages, especially in the games that we typically would have counted as hopeful wins in the preseason.
I guess my confusion is.. Who did Hugh and company think they were going to see this fall?
And maybe what is even more confusing or concerning is the fact that they benched him following the Cal game, which prevented him from getting more game reps with the new offense for the New Mexico game. Then they decided to go back to him in the Arkansas game after watching Hank drown for a half... a game that I fully believe could have been a win with Thorne for the full game.
So a guy they watched for all of 2023, Spring 2024, Summer 2024, and Fall Camp was benched after the second game in the season. And then re-inserted halfway through the 4th game of the season.
They looked at the offense all of 2023, Spring 2024, Summer 2024, and Fall Camp said thought lets hitch our wagons (hopes and dreams) to this guy. A guy that helped Michigan State win 5 games in 2022. A guy that helped Auburn win 6 games in 2023. I guess getting to 7 was just part of that natural progression.
maybe Hugh knew how gassed Jarquez would get in the second half of the season so he decided to limit his carries and role?
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